Let's get this going again.

It's ok to be sad, mad, glad, rad, whatever you're feeling right now... 

[Note by Seth Pollack, 12/18/10 5:07 PM MST ]

Press conference audio: Blanks Babby Press Conf 121810

[Note by Seth Pollack, 12/18/10 8:03 PM MST ]

I might be softening a bit from my initial reaction to the trade. I HATE mid-season trades as a rule and a firm believer in letting things play out. Hedo didn't fit with this team now but I think he could have when circumstances changed. Having Vince Carter on the Suns is a gut-punch. That guy is everything about the NBA that's deplorable from his me-first attitude to his inability to be a winner. What does it say that the Magic who are considered to be a contender in the East, wanted Hedo back after dumping him in favor of Carter just last year?

I am very excited, however about Gortat. I look forward to having two legit centers and see what he can bring to the team. The second unit should be MUCH improved defensively which was a huge issue. I've always been a Pietrus fan and hope the Suns training staff can help him stay on the court which has been an issue in his career.

Overall, as long as Carter doesn't poison the well and Nash doesn't revolt at having to try and play with Vince then this can work out well. Certainly in the long run having Gortat under contract should pan out.

There's several new stories up at SBN AZ as a result of this afternoon's press conference. You can find them all in this Story Stream and here:


Here's a few more quotes that didn't make it into any of those stories:


  • "On paper at least, it doesn't look like we're going to be giving up a whole lot from an offensive perspective." - Lance Blanks
  • Blanks said this added to the Suns ability to run, not take it away
  • "I think the Hedo Turkoglu acquisition was a noble experiment. I think Hedo really tried to make it work, our team tried to make it work. But I think it became obvious that we were not going to be able to succeed with him as our four and that's through no fault of his, frankly." - Lon Babby
  • "You're never going to get better by remaining static and we're constantly looking for new opportunities." - Babby
  • "I think it was an on-going work in progress and if this opportunity didn't come along we would have continued to do everything we could to make it work. I just think this gives us an opportunity to be better and to give us something that we needed and to do it without giving up what he had in terms of size really is what made it attractive for us." - Babby


Several times Babby hinted at not having to give up size which makes you think the Magic really wanted Robin Lopez back in the deal.

At first glance, I thought the Phoenix Suns were the clear loser of the blockbuster trade they swung with the Orlando Magic Saturday afternoon. (In cased you’re late to the party, the Suns...

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Well, folks, it looks like a done deal. Welcome the Polish Hammer, Marcin Gortat, along with Vince "My Knee Hurts" Carter. So long, Jason Richardson -- you've been fantastic. Hedo, we hardly got to know you and don't fully blame you for not fitting on this team.

Earl Clark will hopefully get to try and do something in Orlando (doubt it) and there's nothing bad at all to say about Mickael Pietrus except he plays the same position as Vince Carter, Josh Childress, Grant Hill and Jared Dudley. So you know ... still have five guys for two positions. Problem deferred. 

My personal reaction is not positive. My first concern is what this means for Steve Nash, you can read more about that here:

Phoenix Suns Rumored Deal For Vince Carter And Marcin Gortat Smells Like Trouble For Nash - SB Nation Arizona
The real question now, assuming this deal happens as reported, is what if anything this means for Nash and possibility of moving him. With the team hovering around .500 and seeing yet another teammate get moved, you can easily envision a frustrated Steve asking to be dealt. Certainly a late first round pick and some cash isn't going to placate Nash.

Essentially, the Suns are sacrificing this season to get Marcin Gortat and perhaps one more year of Mickael Pietrus along with a Orlando's first round pick which will be in the mid-to-late 20's.

How's that sit with you, Suns fans?

Financially, this deal is about a wash.

The Suns are taking back about $60.1m in total contracts and giving up about $54.1 but with the $3m cash and last 1st round pick that makes it even. Here's the details:


  • Gortat: $6.3m this year with increases up to $7.7m in 2013/14 with that final year being a play option. Total guaranteed including final year is $28.1m
  • Pietrus: $5.3m this year with player option for same next season. Total guaranteed is $10.6m
  • Carter: $17.5m this year with next year at $18.3m but only $4m of that is guaranteed so total obligation is $21.5m
  • JRich: $14.4m this year
  • Hedo: $10.2m this year with increases up to $12m in 2013/14 but only $6m of that final year is guaranteed so total obligation is $39m.
  • Clark: $1.8m this year
[Note by Seth Pollack, 12/18/10 1:35 PM MST ]

This is the third major in-season trade the Suns have made in the past four years. Let's review:

January 08: Shaq for Marion and Banks. As expected that proved to be a disaster as the Suns didn't get out of the first round that year and didn't make the playoffs the next. Shaq never made sense for the Suns but they were enthralled with his legend and the idea of having a dominant big so they made the deal in the middle of the season instead of playing out the Amare/Nash/Marion/Hill string and then dealing Shawn.

December 08: Bell and Diaw for Dudley and JRich. This deal turned out for the best but was a panic move at the time to try and fix what turned out to be a coaching problem (Terry Porter). The Suns still didn't make the playoffs this season but of course they also lost Amare for the end part of the season. 

December 10: We'll have to wait and see how this one plays out. It could be a good long term deal with the addition of Gortat being the key but I don't think it was worth sacrificing this season and risk the chemistry issues that come with Vince Carter.

This team wasn't playing well but mostly didn't have a healthy Robin Lopez and had one of the harder schedules in the league. Being around .500 headed into January still left plenty of time for a strong finish. If it didn't work that was on the players. Now Nash has a perfectly legit reason to blame the front office and has to try and learn how to play with yet another ball-dominant scorer who's not exactly known as a "team" guy. 

The addition of Gortat makes the Suns better defensively and a better rebounding team. No question. But does sacrificing the rest of this season and Nash's "spirit" make it worth it? They could have played out this year and gone after the pieces they needed up front this summer (or whenever the NBA starts playing again). 

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In a move that seemed to come out of nowhere, the Phoenix Suns on Saturday traded Jason Richardson, Hedo Turkoglu and Earl Clark to the Orlando Magic in exchange for Vince Carter, Marcin Gortat,...

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The word on the street is that the Suns could be part of the Gilbert Arenas to Orlando Magic trade.

From Ken Berger, CBS Sports:

UPDATE: League sources say a third team is involved, with the Suns possibly contributing Hedo Turkoglu to the equation. The Magic, trying to make a bold move to close the gap with Boston and Miami, would wind up with Arenas and Turkoglu, who would return to the team he led to the NBA Finals before a frustrating year in Toronto. Magic center Marcin Gortat is "100 percent involved," though it's unclear whether the Magic would be sending out Rashard Lewis, Vince Carter, or both.

From Evan Dunlap  at Orlando Pinstripes Reporting On Alex Kennedy's Story (Hoopsworld):

Kennedy says Orlando has engaged teams including the Denver Nuggets, Phoenix Suns, and Portland Trail Blazers to make a second deal, perhaps involving the aforementioned package of Carter and Gortat. Among the players discussed is Phoenix forward Hedo Turkoglu, who spent five seasons with Orlando, only to sign with the Toronto Raptors in the 2009 free-agency period. "Lon Babby, the president of basketball operations in Phoenix, allegedly didn't make the trip to Dallas recently so that he could continue working the phones," according to Kennedy.

SB Nation (Seth):

Turkoglu's stock has fallen inside the Suns organization with questions arising about his fit on the team. He wasn't able to adapt to playing the power forward position which took him out of the starting lineup and between Steve Nash's propensity to dominate the ball and Turkoglu's free-lancing plays with the second unit, he's not been able to find a role. There is also a perception that he doesn't play with enough consistent passion or energy although at times he's been very impressive on the defensive end but mostly only late in games.


Orlando Pinstripes Reporting

Ken Berger (CBS)

Alex Kennedy (Hoopsworld)

Obviously the Hedo experiment did not work out as planned, so Turk seems to be an obvious choice to send packing among the other players with any trade value that wouldn't cripple the team. The question now remains, who or what do the Suns get in return.

The other piece in the discussion is Jason Richardson. Rich will be a FA after the season, and judging by the numbers this season, would be commanding a pretty big contract. Vince Carter is making $17 mil and change and has a team option for next season at 18 million. I don't see much sense to trade one potential FA for another right now unless it yielded a combination of a high draft pick, Bass and Gortat. The Suns won't take on any expensive long term contracts obviously.

Assuming the Suns are involved in this deal, it would seem Bass and Gortat would be the main desirable pieces. Bass is in the second year of an 18 million dollar 4 year deal and could fill in at PF while Gortat hits the backup C role. With Frye starting at PF, Bass could come off the bench at the 4, move Warrick to the 3 and send Dudley to the 2, which is not necessarily ideal for the slow footed Dudley.

Keep close to BSOTS for updates as they are reported.

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