Opposing coaches game plan to stop Dragic and Bledsoe from controlling the game, but very few have succeeded at that task. The combo of Bledsoe and Dragic have won 19 of their past 25 starts, including 9 of 12 in the most important stretch of the season.

Many national media, and even local fans, assumed the Phoenix Suns' rhetoric around intentionally pairing Eric Bledsoe and Goran Dragic in a small back court was lip service.

For sure, the rebuilding Suns would trade one of the two talented point guards to remake the team in order to get back to the playoffs some day. I mean, who starts two point guards in today's NBA?

How about the NBA that requires matchup problems in order to win games. The more traditional your scheme, the easier it is to defend.

Rookie coach Jeff Hornacek quickly decided that his best matchup problem was playing the 6'1" Bledsoe and 6'3" Dragic side by side in a speedy, slashing offense built around off-ball movement, dribble-drives and spot-up three point shooting.

The team now resembles Jeff Hornacek as a player - unassuming, under-appreciated, but always moving and always doing whatever it takes to win the day.

In one season, McDonough and Hornacek transformed [the team] into your over-competitive cousin who needs to win every last board game at Thanksgiving and Christmas, regardless of how many family members leave with their feelings hurt. You know, the guy who insists on no bathroom breaks and absolutely no rule-bending, not even for the pre-teenage cousins. You wouldn't want to face the Suns in Scrabble, Parcheesi, Monopoly, Hearts, seven-card stud and definitely not Risk. Can you imagine how quickly Eric Bledsoe would conquer Australia? Would you really want to endlessly tussle with the Morris Twins for control of the Middle East?

-- Media Row Report, BlazersEdge.com (Ben Golliver), after the Suns won on April 5

The Blazers walked up the stairwell tonight, keys jingling, only to find the Suns waiting for them. Jeff Hornacek said, "Jerry". Terry Stotts replied, "Newman". And the knock-down, drag-out, brawl of the century was on. Unfortunately for Portland, the tubby mailman won this round as the Suns owned the final surge in a game filled with them, kicking the Blazers to the curb in a 109-93 romp.

-- Game recap, BlazersEdge.com (Dave Deckard), after Suns won on April 5

Hornacek was exactly that kind of player in the NBA.

"I coveted Jeff for a long time," San Antonio Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said of Hornacek the player, before Hornacek the coach and his merry band of Suns blew out the Spurs last month in Phoenix.

Hornacek came out of college as a mid-sized combo guard with a terrible-looking jump shot who transformed himself into an important player for any winning organization.

He remade that jump shot and became one of the best shooters in the history of the game. In 1991-1992, he became the first pure guard in NBA history to shoot 50% or better from the field and 40% or better on threes while taking enough shots to average at least 20 points per game.

But Hornacek didn't just shoot jumpers. For his career, he averaged 13.5 points, 4.9 assists, 3.4 rebounds and 1.4 steals per game over 15 NBA seasons spanning nearly 1,100 games.

And despite being a mere 6'3", he started at shooting guard 11 playoff teams in his 15 NBA seasons.

During those 11 playoff years, Hornacek played alongside two supremely talented, if undersized, point guards - Kevin Johnson and John Stockton. Both PGs were 6'1" on a good day, putting Hornacek's teams at a height disadvantage his entire career.

He made the All-Star team once, but more importantly played in four Western Conference Finals and two NBA Finals alongside those guys.

So as a rookie coach with the Phoenix Suns, there was no question in his mind that playing 6'3" Goran Dragic at shooting guard next to 6'1" Eric Bledsoe could win some games. He had an entire career of proof that it could work.

And work it did.

Five months later, the slashing combo of Goran Dragic and Eric Bledsoe is 22-9 when they start together, and 22-7 when they both start AND finish the game. In those two losses, Dragic missed much of the fourth quarter due to injury.

They are also 15-0 when both Dragic and Bledsoe score 16+ points in the same game.

None of this could happen without Jeff Hornacek first convincing incumbent point guard Goran Dragic that it could work.

When I found out, I was like, "Oh my god! What is going on right now?", Dragic told Grantland.com's Zach Lowe recently. "The GM and the coach - they called me the next day. Coach Jeff [Hornacek] explained to me that he wanted us to play together, and be like the old Suns with two point guards like Jeff and KJ (Kevin Johnson).

When I found that out, I was kind of surprised. But at the same time, I couldn't wait to share. We had some trouble at first, trying to figure out those things. But me and Eric - we are really good friends. We talk a lot. And you can see that in how we play."

Dragic sees how the pairing has helped make him a better player, or at least have a more effective season. When last season ended, Dragic asked for another playmaker in their lineup. He had just played 82 games as the only dribble-drive threat on the team - a team that finished 29th in points per possession out of 30 teams.

He really likes having Bledsoe in the lineup with him.

"We tried, today, to attack Westbrook," he said after the win over the Thunder on Sunday night. "He is a great player, but sometimes he doesn't play defense so hard. So we tried to attack him. We know he's going to play a lot of minutes, he's going to be tired, so we tried to get after him."

You can't do that with only one threat in the lineup. The opponent can just move a better defender onto you. But when both starting guards are of the same mold, there's no hiding. Westbrook can't be rotated onto a big man, or he'd get abused in the paint. All that leaves is P.J. Tucker or Gerald Green or Marcus Morris, all who are bigger than Westbrook by a wide margin.

That's where the Suns attack the opponent. Nearly as effective as a deadly pick-and-roll combo is a dual pick-and-roll-or-pop five-man threat with two ball handlers and three shooters. Add in that one or two of those shooters are big men who can go down low for post-up opportunities and you've got a tough team to defend.

Just because the Suns are 29th in the league in assists doesn't mean they aren't in constant motion. As mentioned, they're a lot like the Thunder in that they just trust their guys to create a lot more, only they rely on a lot of off ball movement as well. Doing that allows them to get the defenders on their heels, which makes make driving to the rim and catching the defender off balance that much easier, as well as giving a better look at a pullup jumper if the defender can't gather in time for a closeout.

--Game Recap, Welcome to Loud City, after Suns beat OKC on Sunday night

The wins didn't come right away, but soon after the start of the season Dragic realized the team could be pretty good. I asked him after the win over the Thunder if he thought being paired with Bledsoe would go as well as it has.

"If I'm honest, no," he said. "But I'm a positive person. The first time in games was really tough, because we didn't know who is getting the ball, who is playing pick and roll, but then when we figured out those things it was much easier and it was kind of fun. I get more space, he gets more space. So far it's working."

I asked if he would like to play with Bledsoe in the years to come.

"I hope so," he said without hesitation. "I hope so."

Have they talked about it at all, with their contract situations?

"No," he said. "We've been so focused on this season, trying to make the playoffs we didn't talk about our future yet. We'll see how it's gonna work out. We are in a good spot, a good situation, for Phoenix Suns basketball. That's between Bledsoe and the front office, so we'll see."

The offseason is a long way away, hopefully. Despite being 15 games over .500, the Suns are clinging to 8th place right now with Memphis just a game behind and Dallas just a half-game ahead. If the Suns make the playoffs, they could be playing for another month or more.

That their stellar 22-9 record together only represents 31 out of 77 possible games is the only blemish on such a wonderful season. Bledsoe has played just 38 games this year, missing 10 weeks due to knee ligament injury, coming off the bench for 4 and playing without Dragic for two others.

Bledsoe, just 24 and in his first year as a full time starter, also needs to mature in his work ethic and preparation as the seasons pass.

Hornacek developed his own game after coming into the league, and expects all young players to work on their shortcomings to improve year over year. Bledsoe is no exception.

"He's a competitor," Hornacek said of Bledsoe. "He's quite young. As he moves on in his career and as he continues to grow as a player, you figure out how to go through all the stages to be a better player. You look at some of the great players around the league, they practice hard. They are working on a part of their game that's not up to snuff. He's only been a couple years in the league. He'll learn all those things, and continue to get better."

Last summer, Hornacek had a second-year player (Kendall Marshall) and rookie (Archie Goodwin) who couldn't shoot the basketball. He dropped hints that each needed to sacrifice their shot and their ego to remake their stroke - a short-term loss for long-term gain. He specifically commented that Marshall needed to raise the release point on his shot in order to get it off once players started defending him, or he'd always be limited.

Marshall came to training camp in October with the exact same shooting motion Hornacek wanted him to correct. Goodwin, on the other hand, was deep into the rebuild. Goodwin was praised for his work ethic. Marshall was not.

Bledsoe is arguably one of the top 50 players in the NBA right now. He defends, scores and passes well enough to be a force on the court whenever he's out there. Where he needs to improve is his conditioning and his shooting stroke, to be more consistent and for longer stretches of time.

He will get there, and Hornacek will help him. For now, he's merely one of a two-headed Dragon laying waste to the NBA. As the season marches to the finish line, the Suns are gaining ground fast.

The Suns have won 10 of their last 13 games, and 19 of their last 25 with Dragic and Bledsoe starting together.

In those 31 games in the starting lineup, the Suns have learned a lot about themselves and how the two-headed ball handling monster can really tilt the scales in the Suns favor.

"Very difficult," coach Scott Brooks said of the Dragic/Bledsoe combo before the Thunder game on Sunday. "Bledsoe has been able to make threes more this year than he has in the past. Both guys' ability to catch and shoot, catch and drive, penetrate. They're both good playmakers too. And they're aggressive on the defensive end. It's problematic."

The Suns are playing playoff basketball right now, whether they qualify or not after five more tough, tough games.

Enjoy it, Suns fans. We haven't seen basketball this good in Phoenix in the last four years.

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P.J. Tucker showed against the Oklahoma City Thunder why he is the Suns' "man of steel."

The Suns picked up one of the biggest wins of their season against the Oklahoma City Thunder on Sunday night, knocking off the second best team in the West 122-115.

Goran Dragic entered dragon mode in the second quarter, scoring 19 points in the period and finishing with a team best 26 points. Gerald Green got red hot in the second half and scored 17 of his 24 points.

But the player of the game for the Suns was P.J. Tucker.

"He's always like that. Even in practice he's always battling...he's great for us," Dragic said after the win. "I've always said that hopefully he will stay here for a long time. He's such a warrior and we saw that tonight. He made some big shots ... some huge defensive rebounds for us and he's such a nice guy and great player."

As Dave recently wrote, the Suns are going to need Tucker at his best if they are going to make the playoffs, and they certainly got it on Sunday night. Tucker finished with 22 points, seven rebounds, three assists, two steals and two blocks, and he did all of that while guarding the league's most unstoppable offensive force in Kevin Durant.

In college, Tucker made two total 3-pointers in his three-year career. Last season, he bumped that up to 22 made threes at a 31.4 percent clip.

Tucker worked hard this summer to reinvent himself as a 3-point threat, and that hard work has paid off for both him and the Suns this season as he is shooting 40 percent with almost all of them coming from the corners.

Against the Thunder, Tucker hit a career-high four 3-pointers on just five attempts, and the fifth nearly went in as well.

Tucker's transformation into a shooter has been a big part of the Suns' success this season. Dragic and Eric Bledsoe's driving ability force teams to rotate over to cut off penetration out of isolation or the pick-and-roll, and Tucker is often the guy left open. This season, he has made teams pay for that, and he did it four times against Oklahoma City.


Tucker wasn't just a shooter in this game, however. He earned his way back into the league on the strength of his heart, hustle and defensive activity, and the 6-foot-5-inch forward showcased all of that against the Thunder. Tucker stuffed the box score with two buckets in the post, one on a cut, a team-best seven rebounds and four stocks in addition to the four triples.

Tucker was all over the court all night long and made a handful of crucial plays.


If you notice in the videos, roughly half of his highlights came in the fourth quarter. Tucker stepped his game up late and scored 11 of his points and pulled down four of his rebounds in the final 11-and-a-half minutes. He recorded one 3-pointer, one layup, three free-throws, three rebounds, one steal and helped force another turnover all in the last five minutes after the game was knotted at 105 apiece.

He also did all of this while guarding likely MVP Kevin Durant all night. Durant scored 38 points, but he's capable of doing that against anyone. However, while Tucker needed five tries to make his four treys, it took Durant a career-high 15 attempts to match him. A lot of that was simply Durant missing shots, but Tucker's relentless and physical style of defense can really effect an opponent's legs and it is hard to shoot while tired.

Tucker was the MVP of this game, putting up big numbers while matching up with the MVP of the entire league. While his per game averages don't stand out, games like this show he is capable of stepping up in big games when teams need him most. His impact also extends beyond the court.

In addition to all the 3-pointers, rebounds and defensive stops, Tucker is also a team leader, something head coach Jeff Hornacek has said repeatedly.

"He is our emotional leader in terms of playing hard," Hornacek said. "He is constantly on guys ... because he plays hard. This year he has come into the year and made his corner threes. I think he made four of them over there. And, we all know about his defense. Defensively, we put him on the best players that are on the other team. He has to work all game long to try and stop those guys and than we ask him to score a little bit too. He has been invaluable for us."

In his post game interview, Dragic called Tucker a "man of steel." After last night's game and everything he's done over the past two years, I can't think of a more fitting nickname.

With just 5 games remaining, the Suns take a 1 game lead on Memphis for the 8th spot in the Western Conference.

I know your Sunday wasn't completely fulfilled since you didn't get to read several hundred words of rambling from me so I apologize.

We're in the home stretch folks so I won't waste any time talking about how Game of Thrones went all Darren from Bewitched on us last night - lets get right into the action.

Sunday April 7th Key Western Conference Results:

Phoenix Suns 122 Oklahoma City Thunder 115 (Recap) - After blowing a 16 point third quarter lead in their last visit to Phoenix in March, you damn well know the Thunder wanted this one.  Well P.J. Tucker wouldn't let them have it.  The Suns blew a 14 point 3rd quarter lead - which should come as a surprise to absolutely nobody - but they held on during a wildly competitive 4th quarter to win the game and get a huge win.  Dave covered this much more eloquently in the recap which is linked above.

Goran Dragic led the Suns with 26 points (19 of which were in the 2nd quarter) while Gerald Green added 24 on his typical array of crazy-ass shots.  PJ Tucker played arguably his best game of the season, scoring 22 points (including 4/5 from three point range) and playing 40 minutes of having to guard Kevin Durant.  The aforementioned future MVP scored 38 points in his 43 minutes and something something something points streak. Russell Westbrook scored 33 points for OKC while continuing to play with all the charm and grace of a street urchin.

Dallas Mavericks 93 Sacramento Kings 91 (Recap) -  Dirk Nowtizki played his first crappy game in about 2 weeks but the Mavs still won.  The enormous German man shot just 5 of 17 for Dallas but Monta Ellis (23 points) and my mortal enemy (17 points and an eternally burning flame) picked up the slack.  The Mavericks opened the door for the Kings late due to some missed free throws and Sacramento had the ball down just two with 7 seconds remaining.  Rookie guard Ray McCallum appeared to have an open look from three but perhaps deterred by his 0/4 shooting from that range on the evening (and 23.5% from long distance in his last 5) he passed the ball to an in-transition DeMarcus Cousins who could throw up only a feeble game tying attempt.

Kings gonna king.

San Antonio Spurs 112 Memphis Grizzlies 92 (Recap) -  Resistance is futile.  Tony Parker left the game with back spasms after just 9 minutes of play and the Spurs were still able to crush the Grizzlies.  Kawhi Leonard led the way for San Antonio with 26 points on just 13 shots - he pathetically missed one of his shot attempts (what a loser).  Manu Ginobili added 26 of his own on even fewer shots (11) as the Spurs took care of some helpful Suns business.  The Memphis frontline duo of Marc Gasol and Zach Randolph combined for just 14 points and 12 rebounds.  The win is the 8th straight for San Antonio over the Grizz.

Golden State Warriors 130 Utah Jazz 102 (Recap) -  Steph Curry and Klay Thompson absolutely punished the Jazz.  Considering their remaining schedule I'm pulling Golden State off this post like I did Portland.

Current Western Conference Standings:

TEAM W L PCT GB L10 STREAK
1.San Antonio
60 17 .779 - 9-1 LOST 1
2. Oklahoma City
55 21 .724 4.5
7-3 LOST 2
3. LA Clippers
55 23 .705 5.5 7-3 WON 1
4. Houston 51 25 .671 8.5 7-3 WON 2
5. Portland
50 28 .641 10.5 6-4 WON 1
6. Golden State
48 29 .623 12 7-3 WON 2
7. Dallas
47 31 .603 13.5 6-4 WON 3
8. SUNS
46 31 .597 14
8-2 WON 2
- Memphis
45 32 .584 15 5-5 LOST 1

Remaining Schedules:

With something called a NCAA Championship game being played tonight there are no NBA games on the schedule (cute of the NBA to let them have all the attention).  So with that I wanted to present to you the remaining schedules for the teams competing for the last two spots in the West.  Yes I know Full Squad is just two games up on the Suns but their remaining schedule has just 1 playoff team on it so until they drop a game they shouldn't, I'm done thinking about them.

Dallas Mavericks (47-31)

Tuesday April 8th -  @ Utah Jazz

Thursday April 10th - v. San Antonio Spurs

Saturday April 12th -  v. Phoenix Suns

Wednesday April 16th -  @ Memphis Grizzlies

Quick Analysis -  Utah should be a layup and the Spurs will depend entirely on who Gregg Popovich decides to play.  The game isn't a back to back for the Spurs which is a plus - and it precedes their game the next night with the Suns (which is another plus).  As for those last two games -  the only thing I know is that they are both going to be wars.

Dallas will win the tiebreaker over Memphis (3-0 with 1 game to play) and has that rubber match with Phoenix coming (currently 1-1).

Phoenix Suns (46-31)

Wednesday April 9th -  @ New Orleans Pelicans

Friday April 11th -  @ San Antonio Spurs

Saturday April 12 - @ Dallas Mavericks

Monday April 14th -  v. Memphis Grizzlies

Wednesday April 16th -  @ Sacramento Kings

Quick Analysis - New Orleans is far from a pushover so at this point the Suns better know they can't just show up and win.  The Texas Two-Step of Spurs/Mavs does not sound particularly delightful but as stated above it helps that San Antonio will be catching the Suns on the 2nd end of a back to back - getting a split out of that would be enormous.  I'm sure you know the Memphis game will be mildly large and fortunately for the Suns, the Grizz will be coming off having the chase the Lakers around the previous night.  I'd love for the Suns to have already clinched by the time they head to Sacramento but I figure it's unlikely.

I said this in the comments last night but I'd consider the Suns most likely path to the playoffs being finishing the season 3-2 with one of the wins over Memphis, while the Grizz lose Wednesday night in Miami (or to Dallas on the last day of the season).  Going 5-0 would probably work out OK too.  Basically if Memphis finishes the last 5 games better than the Suns, the Suns will probably be out in the cold.

The Suns lose a tiebreaker to Memphis (0-3 with one game to play) and have the rubber match with a Dallas tiebreaker coming (currently 1-1).

Memphis Grizzlies (45-32)

Wednesday April 9th - v. Miami Heat

Friday April 11th - v.  Philadelphia 76ers

Sunday April 13th - @ Los Angeles Lakers

Monday April 14th - @ Phoenix Suns

Wednesday April 16th - v. Dallas Mavericks

Quick Analysis - I can't see any scenario in which the Grizzlies drop a game to the moribund 76ers or the Lakers (because who would do that!).  That Miami game on Wednesday is going to be huge - so if you're not already Team LeBron, get there fast.  As with the Mavs above, those last two are going to be a war.

Memphis holds the tiebreaker over the Suns (3-0 with one game to play) but loses a tiebreaker to the Mavs (0-3 with one game to play).

Three Way Tiebreakers:

As a reminder, three way tiebreakers are sorted by who has the best record amongst the games played between the teams.  As of right now here is how it shakes out:

  • Dallas 4-1
  • Memphis 3-3
  • Phoenix 1-4

You may have discovered by this point there are still 3 fairly large games that could change that a bit but if I'm the Suns I go ahead and try to avoid that three-way tie scenario (you know....pro tip).

Clear as mud?  You're welcome.

Goran Dragic is having a career year playing with coach Jeff Hornacek, who sees a lot of himself in Dragic as a player. Now, Dragic may join Hornacek in an exclusive scoring club that contains only Hornacek and a national hero from back home, Drazen Petrovic.

When the Phoenix Suns acquired Eric Bledsoe last summer to team up with incumbent point guard Goran Dragic, the Suns said it was a perfect match made along the lines of Jeff Hornacek's run as the combo guard next to Kevin Johnson that helped an upstart Suns team to 4 seasons of 53+ wins and a trip to the Western Conference Finals in 1991.

Dragic/Hornacek parallels

Hornacek was drafted into turmoil, his rookie season marred by a team drug scandal and only 27 wins. Dragic was signed as a free agent, his first season as a starter marred by an underperforming, mismatched roster that won only 25 games.

Jeff saw the Suns acquire hot shot PG Kevin Johnson, who had backed up All-Star Mark Price in Cleveland, in one of the roster-purge trades to be the PG of the future.

Dragic saw the Suns acquire hot shot PG Eric Bledsoe, who had backed up All-Star Chris Paul in Los Angeles, in one of the roster-purge trades to be the PG of the future.

Hornacek and KJ clicked immediately because Hornacek deferred the primary point guard duties to the smaller but more athletic (and periodically hurt) Johnson while Horny became the dangerous scorer/passer who averaged 13+ points, 5+ assists, and 3.5+ rebounds for four straight years alongside the mercurial KJ as the Suns won at least 53 games in four straight seasons.

Dragic and Bledsoe clicked immediately because Dragic deferred the primary point guard duties to the smaller but more athletic (and periodically hurt) Bledsoe while Dragic upped his scoring average while keeping his assists at nearly 6 per game.

20/50/40

Jeff Hornacek's best scoring season was 1991-92 when joined the 20/50/40 club by scoring 20.1 points while shooting 50+% from the field (51.2%) and 40+% on three-pointers (43.9%).

In the 21 NBA seasons since, only one guard (Drazen Petrovic, 92-93) and three forwards (Kevin Durant, LeBron James, Dirk Nowitzki) have matched the 20/50/40 feat in a season.

Until now (hopefully).

With five games to go, Goran Dragic's best NBA season is on schedule to join Hornacek, Petrovic and three of the best forwards of all time in the 20/50/40 club. Dragic is averaging 20.5 ppg, .508 FG%, .417 3P%.

Let me repeat. No NBA guard has matched the 20/50/40 marks since 1992-93, and Dragic's own coach was the last American guard to do it.

But that's not the only warm and fuzzy connection here. Dragic remembers Petrovic, a Croatian, fondly.

"He was one of the best European players," Dragic said of Petrovic, who was Yugoslavian along with Dragic until the country split into multiple parts. "When I grew up, he was a national hero back home. If I can do that...(shakes head). It's all hard work, and it's paying off. I cannot sleep on those numbers, I have to keep getting better."

Then I had a nice exchange with Dragic about who was the last NBA player before Petrovic to join the 20/50/40 club.

"Do you know who made it before Petrovic?"

"KJ?" he asked, thinking I was setting him up after the earlier questions, but he guessed wrong. When I shook my head, he said, "I don't know."

"Hornacek," I told him.

"Jeff?!" he yelled in surprise. A big smile opened up. "I didn't know. I'll have to talk to him."

"He told you it was going to work out for you," I said, about pairing with Bledsoe.

"Yes he did!"

As long as Dragic doesn't go off the rails in the next week, he will join his own coach Jeff Hornacek and one of his country's heroes Drazen Petrovic as the only NBA guards to score 20+ points per game while shooting 50+% from the field and 40+% on three pointers.

Not bad for a 6'3" guard from Slovenia once dubbed 'Goran Tragic'. In retrospect, the hiring of Jeff Hornacek could not have been more perfect for the Slovenian guard.

Dragic had a rough start to the Oklahoma City game, missing his three first-quarter shots before coming out. He was frustrated, given the high stakes of the game for the Suns' season.

"He told me, 'Kid, you're in Slovenia, and your fans are cheering for you'," Dragic recalled, of Hornacek trying to get Dragic to clear his head and start fresh in the second quarter. "'It's 0-0, go out and have fun.'"

Dragic came out and scored 19 second-quarter points, making 8 of 10 shots in the process as the Suns grabbed a 9-point halftime lead. That the guard gave credit to his coach for helping him clear his head is yet another sign that Hornacek and Dragic are kindred spirits on the court. Dragic has had similar stories all season long of how encouraging Hornacek is with him and all the players.

Now, with a rare 20/50/40 season under his belt, he should be named to an All-NBA team after the season as one of the top guards in the league.

What a great story to have for the rest of his life.

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