PHOENIX — The Phoenix Suns won a game without Steve Nash in convincing fashion, and no, that’s not an April Fools joke. Sure, it was just the Los Angeles Clippers, a squad the Suns have now...

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I would like to lead us all in a moment of silent thanks to one Mr. Donald Sterling. Without Mr. Sterling, even a down and out, nowhere-going squad like the Phoenix Suns wouldn't be able to trounce a more troubled and nowhere going NBA squad.

 Hakim Warrick led the Suns onslaught with 17 points and 10 boards (yup Warrick), while Zabian Dowdell went for 14 and 5 to anchor a solid Suns' bench effort.  Steve Nash sat this one out with the flu, necessitating Aaron Brooks to start in his place. Brooks went for 12 and 6, but more importantly failed to pick up either an ejection or technical foul called on him.

Quick and to the OBVIOUS

  • Dowdell continues to impress. His poise is excellent and if he can bury that 15 footer consistently, he's a strong #2 PG. To quote the well respected Gary Bender: "Dowdell is gona be a solid player in this league!" Hell, what did the Suns give Marcus Banks? DOUBLE IT!
  • Grant Hill was strong with 19 points in 26 minutes.  I'd offer up a 2 year deal, 8- 10 mil total. Maybe incentive laden, minutes/games played.
  • Dudz went for 16/7/5. What if??? What if the Suns give Dudz the starting 2 job next season?
  • J-Chill played 22 minutes, registering a -2.  Still, 3-4, 4 steals. Maybe he spells BAMF next year?

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Nice game all around. Zabian Dowdell was impressive and Grant Hill provided a ton of energy and leadership to bust the game open. Frye battled hard against Griffin and held him to 6-15 shooting.

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Video: Jared Dudley's Dunk Found Wanting By Panel Of His Peers - Desert Dirt - SB Nation Arizona
The general consensus at the time from media row was, no dunk. But after the game Mark McClune from Fox Sports Arizona assembled an esteemed panel of dunkers to pass final judgement. Vince Carter (a famous dunk contest winner), along with the high-flying Hakim Warrick and Josh Childress were given final say. 

 

 

 


Remember When Chris Kaman Was Good?
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Now that the Suns are extremely out of the Western Conference Playoff race and words like "future" are being tossed around liberally by fans I started to think of June's NBA draft. As you're likely aware, the Suns will be slotted with anywhere from 12th - 14th pick in the draft depending on how they finish out this season. Sure they could hit the lottery jackpot and wind up in the top 3 but that probably won't happen. 

Considering that was the general area the Suns were going to be picking in I decided to try and take a look at how that portion of the draft had fared in recent years. Since the draft can easily be broken up into sixth's I've expanded our range from the 11th pick overall to the 15th pick in the first round (which is currently the first pick out of the lottery). So how have things been going for teams in that range?  

Well, bad. In fact, the 11-15 slots have basically been fruitless for the past 14 drafts.

If you're looking for someone who has developed into an All-Star player (even 1 appearance) from the 11-15 draft spots you have to go all the way back to 1996 when some schlubs named Kobe Bryant, Peja Stojakovic and Steve Nash went 13, 14, and 15. Since then? Zero.

That's 70 different draft picks over the course of 14 years, none of which could muster 1 All-Star appearance. Sure there's still time for the 2010 middle picks - Cole Aldrich, Xavier Henry, Ed Davis, Patrick Patterson, and Larry Sanders - but apparently the odds are quite long. 

If you're looking for an All-Star comparison over that same 1997-present period here it is (listing all the guys with at least 1 appearance):

1st - 5th pick:   24 All-Stars (Duncan, Brand, K. Martin, Yao, L. James, D. Howard, D. Rose, B. Griffin, Francis, Durant, Billups, B. Davis, Gasol, C. Anthony, D. Williams, Horford, Jamison, Bosh, Paul, Westbrook, V. Carter,  Wade, D. Harris, Love)

6th - 10th pick: 11 All-Stars (Szczerbiak, Kaman, Roy, R. Hamilton, McGrady, Nowitzki, Marion, Stoudemire, Pierce, J. Johnson, C. Butler)

 

Obviously the picks coming before 11-15 should outperform them, but even the portions of the draft coming AFTER have outperformed 11-15:

16th - 20th pick 6 All-Stars (Artest, Magloire, Z. Randolph, D. West, J. Nelson, D. Granger)

21st - 25th pick3 All-Stars (Rondo, Kirilenko, Wallace)

26th - 30th pick: 3 All-Stars (T. Parker, J. Howard, D. Lee)

You can even reach into the 2nd round to find more All-Stars:

31st - 35th pick3 All-Stars (Arenas, Boozer, R. Lewis)

36th - 40th pick1 All-Star (Okur)

41st - 45th pick1 All-Star (Redd)

46th - 50th pick1 All-Star (M. Williams)

51st - 55th pick:  0 All-Stars

56th - 60th pick1 All-Star (Ginobili)

Seriously, look at that. You can break the NBA Draft into 12 even segments and only 2 of those segments have failed to yield an All-Star in the last 14 seasons. Hell, the 59th and 60th picks weren't even around until 2004. 51st - 55th has a solid excuse since most of those dudes are randoms you've probably never heard of, but what's up with 11-15? 

Maybe you're saying to yourself, I'm sure it's not all bad, I'm sure it's borne some fine NBA players, just not All-Star level. And you'd not be totally wrong, but it's still not particularly attractive.

With stats as of March 31st, 2011 here are some of the overall statistical leaders for the 11th - 15th picks and some relevant NBA players and busts for that 1997-present period:

11th pick: 

Games played:   Bonzi Wells

StartsJared Jeffries

Points:   Wells

Rebounds:   Andris Biedrins

Assists:   Wells

Other Relevant NBA Players:    Mickael Pietrus , J.J. Redick, Jerryd Bayless

Busts:  Tariq Abdul-Wahad, Trajan Langdon, Jerome Moiso, Kedrick Brown, Fran Vasquez, Acie Law

12th pick:

Games playedAustin Croshere

StartsVladimir Radmanovic

Points:  Radmanovic

Rebounds:   Nick Collison

Assists:   Radmanovic

Other Relevant NBA Players:   Michael Doleac, Nick Collison, Thaddeus Young, Jason Thompson, Etan Thomas (that's stretching it), Melvin Ely

Busts:  Aleksandar Radojevic, Robert Swift, Yaroslav Korolev, Hilton Armstrong

13th pick:

Games played:   Corey Maggette

StartsRichard Jefferson

Points:  Maggette

Rebounds:   Maggette

Assists:   Derek Anderson

Other Relevant NBA Players:   Keon Clark, Thabo Sefolosha, Tyler Hansbrough, Brandon Rush

Busts:  Courtney Alexander, Marcus Haislip, Marcus Banks, Sebastian Telfair, Sean May, Julian Wright

14th pick: 

Games playedTroy Murphy

Starts:   Murphy

Points:  Murphy

Rebounds:  Murphy

AssistsLuke Ridnour

Other Relevant NBA Players:   Maurice Taylor, Kris Humphries, Ronnie Brewer

Busts:  William Avery, Mateen Cleaves, Rashad McCants, Earl Clark

15th pick:

Games played:   Matt Harpring

PointsAl Jefferson

Starts:  Jefferson

Rebounds:  Jefferson

Assists:  Rodney Stuckey

Other Relevant NBA Players:  Kelvin Cato, Steven Hunter, Robin Lopez (for Seth)

BustsVince's bitch Frederic Weis, Jason Collier, Reece Gaines, Antoine Wright, Cedric Simmons

Yup, that's the list. When you're trying to cling to Corey Maggette, Troy Murphy, and Al Jefferson as best in breed you know you've got problems. No the statistical measurement isn't perfect and you know I'm the last guy to go by All-Star berths but the findings are hilariously damning nonetheless.

If you're curious from the list above, any player I didn't mention wasn't good enough to be relevant but wasn't bad enough to be a bust. Examples are Anthony Randolph, Gerald Henderson, Terrance Williams, Austin Daye, and any of the 2010 draftees.    

Obviously the numbers can and probably will improve over time since guys like Thaddeus Young, Rodney Stuckey, Kris Humphries, Tyler Hansbrough and Jason Thompson will continue playing and maybe starting games for years to come and probably become the statistical leaders for their pick. But it still doesn't appear there's an All-Star among any of those guys or any of the newer guys either.  

If you had to form a starting 5 from those 11-15th picks this is probably what you'd be looking at:

C -  Al Jefferson

PF - Troy Murphy

SF - Matt Harpring

SG - Richard Jefferson

PG - Rodney Stuckey

You can honestly throw together an arguably better starting 5 with guys picked between 56-60 (yes I know Amir Johnson is out of position but give me a break). 

CMarcin Gortat

PF - Luis Scola

SF - Amir Johnson

SG - Manu Ginobili

PG  - Ramon Sessions

Does that mean the Suns should dump their lottery pick in exchange for one of the last 5 picks in the draft? Well obviously it does (not). But does that mean that when the Suns pick in that 11-15 range they are doomed to get a player who is at best Richard Jefferson and at worst Frederic Weis? Well not doomed but personally I wouldn't bet my SB Nation Arizona paycheck on it. 

It's funny because most people look at that late lottery, low playoff drafting range and think that's the spot where teams pick guys who have high boom/bust probability. Yet in the last 14 years there has been lots of bust but no boom above a dull pop. 

Maybe 2011 is the year that the next Kobe or Steve Nash slips to the 11-15 slots - but it probably isn't.  Go ahead and disagree and talk about how much you love Jimmer, Kemba, and the Morris twins in the comments.


Garret Siler leads fellow rookie Gani Lawal and Zabian Dowdell in a rousing rendition of "Happy Birthday".

Robin is now 23.


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