Starting with the obvious, neither the Phoenix Suns nor the Oklahoma City Thunder cared less about winning the preseason game than getting chance to look at some players before cut down day to a max of 15 per roster.

The Thunder rested Kevin Durant, Nick Collison and Derek Fisher while the Suns rested Goran Dragic (ankle) even though he suited up for pregame shoot-around and looked healthy.

This game was more about getting a look at some guys on each roster. The game was sloppy as a result: 38% shooting for the Suns (23% on 26 three-point attempts) and 38% for the Thunder (10% on 19 three point attempts). The energy vacillated between high and low, and once again Hornacek went deep into the bench by playing 13 of 16 available players.

Even the players who didn't see court time will get their chance tomorrow night, on a back-to-back in the high altitude of Denver. Dionte Christmas, James Nunnally and Kendall Marshall were healthy scratches while Archie Goodwin and Ish Smith got some good run in the second half.

Since the focus of the game was on players, let's review them:

Eric Bledsoe

If he could just fix that jumper - he doesn't even get rotation on it - he could potentially be an All-Star type player. Even while going 0-4 on open threes and 1-4 on early midrange shots, Bledsoe still put up 15 points, 7 assists, 6 rebounds and 2 steals in just 28 minutes of play. His defense on his young counterpart - Reggie Jackson - was good enough to basically shut Jackson down. Jackson got most of his 18 points against diminutive Ish Smith. This was clearly Bledsoe's best game of the preseason.

Gerald Green

If he could fix that basketball IQ - being in the right place at the right time on defense and off the ball - he could be a really good player. Hella athlete put down a couple of monster, super-max dunks we haven't seen since the apostrophe left town and made 3 three-pointers in the first half to help the Suns to a big lead. Overall, Green had 15 points in 18 minutes and, while not a great defender, didn't let Jeremy Lamb find his missing confidence.

Channing Frye

If he could move that body faster in driving situations - seriously, I could have cooked some eggs in the time it took for him to drive to the basket a couple of times - you might call this one of Channing's best games since coming back from the year and a half out of basketball. He scored, somehow, on those drives, poured in 12 points overall, made a 3 and pulled down 9 rebounds and blocked a shot to help the Suns win the game.

P.J. Tucker

If he could make a corner 3 on a regular basis, he'd be a regular on any team in the NBA. The guy just hustles and so far this year it's contagious. Jeff Hornacek is the third coach in 12 months to find it impossible to sit P.J. down. Tucker played 30 minutes and scored 13 points, had 4 rebounds and 3 steals and a block. A typical Tucker game.

Archie Goodwin

If Archie could make his shots and/or start faster, he'd be a rookie of the year candidate. Unfortunately, his shot is really bad - he twists in the air as he rises off the ground - so he's only a threat to drive/dish at this point unless he goes on a hot streak like in summer league. Still, he picked it up and poured in 11 fourth-quarter points on a steal/FB/dunk, drives and putbacks (one monster putback dunk where he rose over everyone - at least 3 other players - to slam home a Suns miss).

Three-headed center position

If only they could be merged into one, the Suns would be in great shape at center for a decade. Gortat, Plumlee and Len all played well tonight. Gortat had 4 points, 5 rebounds and 5 blocks in only 17 minutes, while Plumlee hustled to 6 and 3 in 22 minutes and Len grabbed 3 rebounds, blocked a shot and had a nice assist in 10 minutes. Plumlee looked every bit as good, to my eyes, as OKC rookie Steven Adams (12th overall this year) right now - both are hustlers who make their gravy on putbacks and hustle. Plumlee had some nice drives in traffic, but missed several shots at the finish. Len plays with an 'athletic stance', meaning he was on the balls of his feet and ready to move all the time. He moves well in every direction, though right now he moves too much (4 fouls in 10 minutes). His arms are so long, he twice grabbed rebounds in traffic just by outreaching everyone. And, he can box out and finish the rebound with TWO HANDS. He got some quality time and showed good flashes of the future as a quality #5 overall pick. His ceiling is higher than Adams, but Adams is more ready to contribute right now.

Ish Smith

If he only had size, and a jumper, and ability to score at the rim, and defend... this wasn't Ish's night.

The Morrii

The Morris brothers were hit and miss. While Markieff was good last week against Sacramento, he went 0-5 before getting ejected in the second quarter for a flagrant-2 foul. And while Marcus was terrible last week against Sac, he had 7 points (on 3-8 shooting), 5 rebounds and an assist and steal in 25 minutes. Good but not great.

(former Sun) Diante Garrett

Hey there Diante! Here's hoping you make the Thunder roster this year, but tonight was not one of your best nights. Garrett had 6 points and 3 assists in 24 minutes, but only shot 2-7 from the field.

That's my recap folks. Read. Digest. Discuss.

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Two teams heading in opposite directions with pre-season pride on the line? Yeah, the Phoenix Suns (3-2) hosting the Oklahoma City Thunder (4-1) is clearly a "can't miss" event.

On paper these two teams should come together for a competitive game.

Every year there seems to be a rumor of the Suns and the Thunder doing business together from a rumored Steve Nash trade a few years ago, to James Harden discussions, and to Marcin Gortat rumors the past year and a half. These two teams are always in the rumor mill together and yet no triggers have been pulled.

In the mean time the Thunder have knocked around the Suns for 10 straight games.

This year both teams will have new dynamics on the court. The Thunder are incorporating their younger players into rotation minutes on the perimeter and the Suns are incorporating a brand new team.

Goran Dragic and Russell Westbrook will not play in the game tonight taking away some of the excitement, but allowing young players like Jeremy Lamb, Reggie Jackson, Archie Goodwin, and Kendall Marshall to get some floor time and earn a slot in the rotation.

Head-to-Head: Pre-Season Stats

Suns (3-2): 105.2 PPG 43.8 RPG 9.0 SPG 49.9% FG 36.3% 3PT

Thunder (4-1): 99.4 PPG 49.4 RPG 8.8 SPG 44.8% FG 29.9% 3PT

Hey, the Suns are the better team on paper! Through five games this pre-season the Suns are a better rebounding team, better shooting from the field and three, and causing more turnovers per game. The team has more energy and in this exhibition season have been playing well as a unit, outside of the past two games.

The Thunder are a little more restricted offensively with Russell Westbrook out of the line-up still, leaning more on defense, rebounding, and Kevin Durant.

Athletically the Suns match-up well with the Thunder in this setting. They can match them with athletes on the perimeter and in the paint getting up-and-down the floor scoring and causing havoc. With the pre-season winding down there might be more floor time for the reserves, but the Thunder reserves are young prospects auditioning for trades and free-agency, for teams like the Suns.

Head-to-Head Match-Up (pre-season)

Reggie Jackson: 14.2 PPG 6.2 APG 3.2 RPG 1.4 SPG 52.9 FG% (5 games)

Eric Bledsoe: 11.0 PPG 5.4 APG 2.8 RPG 3.0 SPG 47.1 FG% (5 games)

This pre-season has been a statement and coming out party for Jackson. He has started every game and is stepping his game up to show that he is a potential starting point guard in this league that is more than just athletic. He played well during the playoffs with a little trial by fire, but backing it up sometimes is tougher than proving that you can actually do it initially.

He and Bledsoe are in similar situations with being given the reigns of a team over night, with different circumstance.

Two of the more dynamic, athletic point guards in the league coming off the bench last year go head-to-head as starters. With Westbrook still rehabbing, he practiced with the team for the first time yesterday, Jackson becomes the teams primary play-maker on the perimeter opposite of Durant.

This has the potential to be a fun match-up this game and going forward as both teams will showcase very athletic, play-making back-courts this season with Westbrook-Jackson and Bledsoe-Dragic.

Bledsoe is coming out of Chris Paul (and John Wall's) shadow for the first time in his career. He has the opportunity to cast his own shadow now and see how it measures up with his former mentors and a fair shot at starting minutes. There is no question that "Baby LeBron" has the physical and athletic skills to be a play-maker like Jackson, now both come head-to-head as they try to prove themselves.

(Potential) Starting Line-Ups

PG - Eric Bledsoe v. Reggie Jackson

SG - Archie Goodwin v. Thabo Sefolosha

SF - P.J. Tucker v. Kevin Durant

PF - Markieff Morris v. Serge Ibaka

C - Marcin Gortat v. Hasheem Thabeet

Potential Suns Inactives: Goran Dragic (Ankle)

Potential Thunder Inactives: Russell Westbrook (Knee) & Kendrick Perkins

Key Match-Up

Archie Goodwin v. Jeremy Lamb

How do you like your young, athletic wing players? Are you partial to the long, raw, and aggressive type wearing purple and orange? What about the smooth, quality shooting, long type in blue and orange? Either way this match-up of a Suns fan favorite from the 2012 NBA Draft and who might be the steal of the 2013 NBA Draft could be a fun one if they see considerable floor time.

Lamb has not shot the ball well through five games (4-23) and has struggled offensively so far. He could be the teams designated shooter this season from the perimeter playing side-by-side with Durant creating a long wing combination.

Goodwin was taken a year later in the draft and 17 picks later, but has been impressive in his short time with the team. He is the youngest player in the NBA and sometimes plays like it. These two can combine for their share of highlights (or low-lights) with aggressive defensive plays and finishes out on the break.

Interesting Stat: 23.4

Nobody is playing major minutes this pre-season for the Suns. To date there are only three players that have averaged 20+ minutes a game in Gortat (20.0), Markieff (20.4), and the leader, Bledsoe (23.4) with all three being projected starters this season.

In contrast the Thunder have six players averaging at least 21+ minutes per game and have their rotation set going into the season.

Meaningless Stat: 56.25% (9/16)

So far this pre-season the Morrii are shooting 56.25% from three. Markieff is 2/2 and Marcus is 7/17 as the duo is shooting the ball well, sparse, and efficient from the three-point line. Through Markieff's career he has shot the ball in volume from three and it exposed his efficiency (34.1% career), but with this role he is playing more in the mid-range and limiting his three-point shooting. The closer you are to the rim the better the percentages are to make a basket. So far this pre-season, the Morrii are getting that.

One aspect of a re-build and a push for a younger, more dynamic team, is the potential loss of leadership and veteran influence on the roster. Young players need role models to an extent to see how things should be done and to tell them what they are doing is not right.

Jared Dudley had Steve Nash and Grant Hill to teach him how to be a professional when he first came to the Phoenix Suns, but who do the young players have here now?

The lack of veteran leadership is obvious and as red as the nose on Rudolph's face

Twenty-First Topic: How to use the veterans?

1. Breaking the Ice: How has the management team handled the balance of youth, potential, and veteran influence on the roster?

Jim Coughenour: Impressively. The team still has Frye and Dragic (and Tucker to a lesser degree), who can be emulated in terms of work ethic off the court and teach the tyros what it takes in terms of dedication and preparedness to succeed in the league. They even took divergent paths. Frye was a lottery pick that struggled and actually transmogrified his game through the development of a deadly three point shot to establish himself as a valuable rotation player in a stretch four role. He has added new wrinkles to his game each year past that, such as his improved interior defense. Dragic took the path of mid second rounder and struggled to get playing time behind a transcendent player before capitalizing on an opportunity in a new environment (Doesn't that sound similar to EB's possible career trajectory?) and solidifying himself as a starting point guard. P.J. bounced around the D-League before finally proving himself an NBA player through pertinacity and brutish intensity. Good role models. The goal was to go as young as possible and the Suns have done so while maintaining at least a modicum of venerable players.

Jacob Padilla: What Jim said.

Dave King: Pretty well, but not perfectly. There is no positive, outspoken influence on the roster to navigate through the tough times that are sure to come. Dragic and Frye are too quiet to inspire people and Gortat is too "out there" mentally (he's been that way since he was acquired). Caron Butler would have been a good influence this season. The Suns won't win a lot of games, but they needed an veteran that can steer them through the storm.

Kris Habbas: Veteran influence? All the veterans on the team are not traditional leaders like journeyman Shannon Brown, quiet Channing Frye, flamboyant Marcin Gortat, and timidly aggressive Goran Dragic are the most tenured NBA players on the roster, with world traveler P.J. Tucker as one of the elder statesmen in general.

Sean Sullivan: I think the team is certainly more focused on youth and potential than any veteran leadership to mold the young players at this point. The Suns are not in a win now mode, so they can get by with a team of young guys without a traditional locker room leader. If they were looking to compete in the post season, I may be a little worried, but for this season, I don't feel it's much of a concern whatsoever.

2. Does this team have any "veterans" in the truest sense of the word?

JP: See Jim's comment below.

DK: It's "Horny or bust" here. Hate to agree with Kris two questions in a row, but I don't have a choice because he's so right. If Hornacek is a really good mentor to the players, the team will be fine. If he isn't, then the team will fracture like they did under Gentry and Hunter last year.

KH: With this roster the veterans that matter are Jeff Hornacek and Mark West with their years of experience on the court playing at a high level in the NBA. Those two are the veterans that will have the most influence and draw the most respect from the younger players on the roster that are vulnerable and malleable in their current stage in the game.

SS: Veteran players? I suppose Channing Frye, Goran Dragic, Marcin Gortat, and even Shannon Brown count. As for leaders though....probably not. The best chance the young players have is to model themselves after the direction and tutelage of Hornacek, who seems like a very down to earth coach who of course has tons of experience.

JC: ICMF. Frye is the elder statesman on the team in terms of age (30), NBA experience (this is his eighth season, nine if you include the season missed to the heart condition where he was still around the team in some capacity) and tenure (fifth year in the organization). He played with notable veterans such as Steve Nash, Grant Hill and Amar'e Stoudemire, who all had qualities worthy of imitating. From all accounts he is well liked and respected in NBA circles. While Frye isn't necessarily vocal, neither was Nash. I think lead by example personalities can be paragons in their own right and Channing fits the bill.

3. Players like Shannon Brown and Gerald Green do not necessarily fit into the future of the team so how should they be managed this season?

DK: At least Brown should be managed by trading him to someone. More than anything else, McDonough needs to continue his run of sending veterans to better environments for them (Dudley to Clips, Scola to Indy, Butler to hometown Milwaukee), starting with Brown. Brown already suffered through a DNP season and looks poised to have another. Green, on the other hand, should get lower priority at the moment, simply because I don't feel bad for him yet.

KH: With respect. Last year Lindsay Hunter had no respect for his veteran players moving them in and out of the rotation, to the bench, to starting, to DNP's on a whim. There was no direction and the players themselves were not treated as pawns in a game of checkers. Neither player, at this stage in their careers, should be on a losing team. While they are here though having the role of mentor for the younger players and getting court time early in the season is one way of easing the burden of being a part of a potential bottom five team this season.

SS: As needed. I see no reason to force minutes to either of them unless it benefits the team. To Green's credit though, he's seemed to play fairly decently overall in preseason, so maybe he'll prove to have some chemistry with the players that could prove beneficial. I really don't see much need for Brown at the moment though, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the Suns include him in a trade at some point ... It would probably be best for both parties.

JC: Shannon should be assigned the role of shot selection coach with Gerald as his assistant. If I remember correctly a "cannon" (affectionately named after the Brown Bomber) is an instance where a player exhausts noticeable energy to end up taking a markedly worse shot than when they initially received the ball. Yeah. I would let them "compete for playing time" on a completely unlevel playing field with the younger players and look to move them to a better situation if we can trick someone into taking them the opportunity presents itself.

JP: Stick them on the bench. Trade them if the opportunity arises. I really have no desire to see either one of them on the court for Phoenix. However, Archie Goodwin isn't ready and I'm not so sure force-feeding him minutes is the right decision. Therefore, one of them will get minutes early in the season. I disagree with Kris about them not belonging on a losing team; being on a losing team is exactly where they belong. They play a losing style of basketball. Green had his chance on a winning team last year.

4. Are Channing Frye and Marcin Gortat strictly assets or potential pieces for the future?

KH: Right now I am inclined to say assets. Frye has high value for the team going forward as a veteran shooter that can stretch the floor and add versatility to the team. If he can net the team a future asset of higher value than he currently is then you move Frye, but if not he is on a good contract and is a positive to the team. Gortat on the other hand has been traded for about a year and a half. The team couldn't capitalize on his quality play early on last season, then he fell into a tailspin, and now he has to remind the league of his value before they can get anything for him. Purely an asset, that has little to no positive value.

SS: Definitely assets. Gortat knows he's as good as traded as soon as the right deal comes along, and seems to be handling it well, at least in interviews. And as much as I love Frye (I was one of his staunchest supporters when he was being unfairly criticized for his pretty decent defense), he also doesn't fit the long-term direction of this team. I think Frye is more likely to finish the year a Sun than Gortat; because of how well he fits the offense, his history here, and his chemistry with Dragic, but I would be surprised if both of them aren't being aggressively shopped.

JC: Define future. Tomorrow is the future. I expect Gortat to be gone by the trade deadline. Frye may follow suit depending on his resilience in the first half of the season. Gortat is expiring. Frye has a player option. Since my hopeful time-line for a return to competitiveness is the 2015-16 season I don't see them as pieces in that puzzle. Actually, I'll be surprised if more than four players on the current roster are on the starting roster that season.

JP: Gortat is definitely an asset. His time in Phoenix is nearing its end, and it's time both parties move on; at least by the trade deadline once Alex Len has had some time to get stronger and make the adjustment to the NBA game. Frye, on the other hand, I view like I viewed Dudley and still view Dragic. As good players, they are definitely assets. But they also have ties to the organization and community, and they still provide on-court value as well. If the right deal presents itself (as it did with Dudley and Bledsoe), go ahead and make the move. But there's no reason to trade him just to trade him. He can provide value to the team either way.

DK: Gortat is strictly an asset, but I think Frye is the kind of you keep around. While Gortat should be traded for something, anything, this season before he walks next summer for nothing, Channing Frye should only be traded if it makes the Suns get better. Frye should only go in a "Dudley deal" while Gortat should go in a "Scola/Butler" deal. The Dudley deal was a net positive (Bledsoe), while the others were only to get younger.

5. What is the impact (negative or positive) from not having a traditional, veteran, voice in the locker-room for this roster?

SS: Like I stated above, I think it would be worrisome if this team were trying to compete. A veteran presence is essential for keeping the team focused and together through the peaks and valleys. However, the players realize where this team is at, and their expectations are just as tempered as ours (though they would never admit it). This team is playing with house money this season. I think they can afford to let things fall into place organically and see what happens. If it somehow proves to be an issue this season they can always address it in the off season. No rush.

JC: Very hard to determine through qualitative analysis. The first season of the Thunder's existence in OKC the team had two 20 year old phenoms in Durant (one year) and Westbrook (rookie). The veterans on that team included Chucky Atkins, Desmond Mason, Malik Rose, Robert Swift and Earl Watson. I'm not sure their combined tutelage was vital in the development of the young nucleus. Since the Suns can aspire to duplicate that type of success, maybe mentoring is more of an extrinsic benefit than a vital component. Of course examples of rudderless rosters may argue the counterpoint here... The Suns don't have players that need babysitting (e.g. DeMarcus Cousins) in my estimation. I'm inclined to say that the current leadership situation is tenable and probably won't have a deleterious impact.

JP: This roster is going to see a lot of change over the next two years, so I don't think how it looks right now matters all that much. I think Jeff Hornacek, Goran Dragic, Channing Frye and P.J. Tucker are enough as lead-by-example types (at least the players) to help the young guys grow and develop the right way.

DK: I mentioned it above, and it's not good to be missing a steadying, rallying voice in the locker room. Someone needs to take the heat this season when the team stumbles, falls and bruises their way to 55-60 losses. Someone needs to keep these guys in a positive frame of mind no matter what. So far, that's missing. And that just means that 5 game losing streaks become 10 game losing streaks.

KH: I feel it is a positive and a test. The young players have a chance to grasp this team by the horns and establish their leadership style early on. Make this their team. That is the test for Bledsoe, Len, and to a smaller extent Goodwin as they are a vision of the future for the team. Having no established leader means things can come together organically, the right way, and give this team a true voice that earned this role.

BONUS: Should the Suns have gone full on Philadelphia 76ers this year and gutted their roster of any NBA players?

(Kwame Brown and Jason Richardson are 10 & 12 year veterans respectively, but you know what we mean...)

SS: I think what the Suns did this off-season was nothing short of brilliant...and I wouldn't have changed a thing (ok, I probably would have drafted McLemore and I wouldn't have exercised the team option on Brown...but still). I think the Suns have done an outstanding job overall of acquiring assets and giving themselves maximum cap flexibility going forward, and they still have a few cards to play with Gortat and possibly even Dragic, Frye, or even Bledsoe to get even more (not saying I think they will trade all those players, but that they have the option to do so if the right deal comes along).

JC: Different situation. Philadelphia needed to get worse because they might have still finished 10th or 11th in the weaker Easter Conference with Holiday on the roster. A #7 pick wasn't helping a putrid roster go anywhere. Instead they got Nerlens Noel, a pick that should fall somewhere between 9-15 in the stacked 2014 draft and effectively moved up several spots to likely give themselves the best odds at the #1 overall pick. If the Suns could have traded Gortat and Dragic for the same package (2013 #6 and 2014 top five protected) I'd have pulled the trigger. I believe the Suns are still in for more roster attrition, though. McMiracle seems like a rather shrewd fellow, so I can't imagine he doesn't realize the value of a top five pick in next year's draft. Any deal he makes this season (barring some supernatural coup) will be to get worse short term, not better.

JP: The amount of blatant tanking going on in Philadelphia is laughable. I feel bad for Thaddeus Young for having to play on that team. And for what? A few more ping pong balls that doesn't assure them of anything with the lottery system in place? No, I'm perfectly happy with the way the Suns have gone about their business. The Suns managed to hold onto a few players that could be part of the next playoff team or at least be used to acquire the players that will be part of that team, while also adding in rookies that will form the team's core moving forward. And it appears as if they'll be in position to add more highly talented rookies to that core next year, even without getting rid of all the good ones they already had.

DK: Absolutely not. I wrote about this last night so look at the 'On Noel, tanking and the Suns' article for my views. The Sixers are laughing at the basketball gods and will almost certainly pay for it. The worst record has a better chance at the 4th pick than the 1st.

KH: How entertaining would a line-up of Marshall, Goodwin, Tucker, Markieff, and Len look with a few middling veterans coming off the bench? Yeah, the Suns are doing it right.

Bright Siders, what do you think?

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