It looks like Alvin Gentry is going back to the original starting line-up. Let's see if these guys can back up their talk (Dudley and Frye)

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Phoenix Suns 86, Memphis Grizzlies 84 Coming off an embarrassing loss to the Portland Trail Blazers that reached lows not seen in a decade, the NBA scheduling folks gave the Phoenix Suns no time to...

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"It's not fun to get your heads kicked in a lot" Nash said after last night's 109-71 loss to Portland. (Photo by Christian Petersen/Getty Images)

Hey guys guess what!? It's a new day and time for another game! I think that's the only consolation we're going to have this year with the shortened season - we will be able to forget bad losses like last night and move on quickly to the next bad game.

The Suns (6-12) arrived back in Phoenix around 2am and have this beautiful Saturday to forget last night's abomination of a game in Portland and prepare mentally and physically for a younger Memphis Grizzlies (10-8) team hungry for a win. Yaaay! They'll probably watch film this morning and hold off on working out.

This is all that really needs to be said - the Suns need to win.

But for some extra Saturday morning reading please continue my good sirs and gentlewomen.

After last night's loss only two players took to social media to say anything. First was Jared Dudley -

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Embarrassing indeed. Their 109-71 loss last night was the third worst margin of defeat in Suns history. Was it Phoenix Suns basketball? No - but maybe it is the 2011-12 Phoenix Suns basketball because we're seeing a trend. Lots of turnovers - inconsistent scoring - and a lack of mental/emotional focus. These things have been quite common this season and have been major contributors to the worst start in Suns history since 1996-97 when they went 4-14 after booting Sir Charles Barkley.

You'll play with more energy and passion tonight? Hope so. Grant Hill was quoted after the game saying this,

"The thing that was surprising was that I thought we kind of folded... we stopped competing there as soon as they came out and hit us hard. Instead of hitting back, we just kind of folded."

More energy and passion are good starting points for writing this ship - and they're going to need LOTS of energy to keep up with the young guns of Memphis.

The second player to take to social media last night was Channing Frye, here's what he had to say on his Facebook page,

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This is not acceptable indeed. The Suns are trying but it isn't working. Trying sometimes isn't enough so do they actually deserve it? I personally think if they deserved it they would achieve it, they would be winning games if they deserved it. Deserving it means making the proper adjustments and executing and the Suns just haven't done that quite yet.

Speaking of adjustments... Alvin Gentry said of the starting lineup and rotation after the game,

"We are going to make a change, we're going to do something because obviously this is not working what we're doing now."

So expect some lineup changes for tonight's game - I don't have a clue what they might actually be but my only guess would be that the Rookie is out of the starting lineup.

The GRIZZLIES

Oh Yes the Grizzlies are grizzly all right. They've lost two games in a row - to Portland on Tuesday and to the Clippers on Thursday, but prior to that they were enjoying a very strong 7-game winning streak that had their team in the top 5 of nearly power poll on the interwebz.

The team had shot poorly from the field in their last two losses - but you better believe they are looking forward to breaking their slump against this Phoenix Suns team. Everybody seems to be doing that these days.

It appears Zach Randolph won't be playing tonight because he is resting a bruised knee - but I won't even consider that a positive for the Suns given their recent performances against teams missing key players.

Here's a look at their roster:


FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc
G M M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
Rudy Gay 18 36.4 7.8 16.8 46.5 0.8 2.3 34.1 2.3 3.6 64.1 1.6 4.6 6.2 1.9 2.7 1.6 0.8 2.1 18.7
Marc Gasol 18 37.6 5.6 10.8 52.1 0.1 0.2 25.0 3.6 4.9 73.0 1.9 8.3 10.3 3.2 1.8 1.1 2.2 3.1 14.9
Zach Randolph 4 28.3 5.5 11.8 46.8 0.3 0.8 33.3 3.5 5.8 60.9 2.3 5.3 7.5 1.0 1.8 1.3 0.5 2.0 14.8
Mike Conley 16 33.6 5.1 11.2 45.3 0.8 2.4 33.3 1.8 2.1 87.9 0.2 2.5 2.7 7.4 2.4 2.7 0.1 2.2 12.8
O.J. Mayo 18 25.1 4.6 10.3 44.1 1.5 3.6 42.2 1.3 1.7 80.0 0.4 2.8 3.2 1.7 1.8 0.8 0.4 1.8 11.9
Tony Allen 18 23.9 3.4 7.4 46.6 0.1 0.3 20.0 2.9 3.7 79.1 1.7 1.8 3.4 0.7 1.3 1.9 0.3 2.1 9.9
Marreese Speights 12 21.0 3.3 7.9 41.1 0.0 0.1 0.0 1.3 1.4 88.2 1.8 4.3 6.2 0.9 0.7 0.6 0.3 2.5 7.8
Dante Cunningham 18 17.1 2.0 4.3 46.8 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.7 1.2 61.9 1.1 2.3 3.4 0.5 0.6 0.6 0.3 1.9 4.7
Quincy Pondexter 18 15.1 1.8 4.1 45.2 0.1 0.6 9.1 0.8 1.3 58.3 1.0 1.3 2.3 0.4 0.6 0.2 0.1 1.4 4.5
Josh Selby 13 11.9 1.6 3.8 42.9 0.2 0.8 20.0 0.6 0.8 80.0 0.2 0.6 0.8 1.8 1.6 0.4 0.0 0.8 4.0
Sam Young 13 10.8 1.7 4.2 40.0 0.0 0.5 0.0 0.6 0.8 80.0 0.7 1.3 2.0 0.3 0.6 0.5 0.2 0.4 4.0
Jeremy Pargo 13 14.0 1.7 4.8 34.9 0.2 1.0 15.4 0.4 0.5 83.3 0.6 0.6 1.2 2.2 1.1 0.4 0.0 1.2 3.9
Hamed Haddadi 4 6.5 0.8 1.8 42.9 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 100.0 1.5 2.0 3.5 0.5 1.0 0.0 0.0 2.3 2.5
Josh Davis 12 9.2 0.7 1.9 34.8 0.3 0.9 27.3 0.3 0.7 50.0 1.1 0.7 1.8 0.5 0.3 0.5 0.1 1.4 1.9


Rudy Gay is a bonafide Suns-Killer. He averages about 25 ppg against the Suns and more recently Mike Conley has proven to give Steve Nash a VERY hard time penetrating the lane and even bringing the ball up because he is a very very sneaky snake.

It has been the perimeter shooting that has gone south for the Grizzlies - it will be the Suns job to make sure that their perimeter shooting stays sub-par if they hope to get a win tonight.

Here are my keys to this game.

Euty-KEYS

  • Limit Turnovers
  • Consistently Score
  • Score More Than 9 Points in Any Given Quarter.
  • Keep Rudy Gay in Check
  • Maintain Energy for 4 Quarters
  • Get a win.

Is that too much to ask for?



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Ronnie Price can be an effective backup, but the Suns are asking too much of him.

Finding a suitable backup for Steve Nash has been an intermittent problem for the Suns since Nash's return to Phoenix in 2004. When Nash is in the game, he wields such control over the playmaking responsibilities, and is so highly skilled in running the Suns offense, that it's difficult to find a point guard to come off the bench and replicate his style.

His one of a kind nature is both a blessing and a curse. The team is built with players intended to complement Nash's unique skills, but those same players must also play with another point guard. This requires playmaking from players who are usually only asked to finish when Nash has set them up with precision.

In years past, the Suns have had plenty of finishers who are excellent with Nash setting them up, and still effective without that advantage. The more recent editions of the team haven't had such players, and that's why the Suns have fallen from their perch as an elite team to be a lottery team.

The lack of adequate finishers has been the problem more so than poor backup PG play. That Nash is still able to lead the league in assists per game is not proof to the contrary at all, it's simply more evidence of Nash's elite skills. Can you imagine the assist numbers he could put up if surrounded by better shooters?

Let's take a look at the players who have backed up Nash and see how last season's cast compares to the current one, after the jump.

Comparisons from last season to this one have plenty of holes. The Suns are only 18 games into the season, and this will be a small snapshot of the performances of Ronnie Price and Sebastian Telfair. Goran Dragic's and Aaron Brooks' performances of last year have asterisks of their own: Dragic was playing with a different cast, with greater expectations, and Brooks had a short time to find his rhythm and comfort zone playing in only 25 games for the Suns last year. Not to make excuses, but excuses aren't the same as reasons, and there is no shortage of reasons for the poor performances of the Suns' backup point guards.

With all of those caveats in mind, the Suns' backup point guards of this season and last:

Ronnie Price

Price has moved into the starting lineup at shooting guard for the last 6 games, where he's done a decent job supplying defense and hustle, and relieving Nash of some of the ballhandling chores. But really, he's only starting there because the Suns are reaching for any effective starter at the 2-guard they can find. Starting the season with career backup Jared Dudley and then picking up an injured Michael Redd off the scrap heap are examples of this reaching.

As a backup to Nash, Price did a fair job. He isn't much of a shooter or playmaker (see his PER, true shooting % and ORtg below), but does play energetic defense and won't get you killed running the team with a good enough supporting cast. And again, there's the rub. It's been hard enough for the Suns to find players who can finish when Nash sets them up perfectly. Players who can finish on less than perfect passes, or create their own shots? (Sound of crickets chirping).

Season Age Tm Lg G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
2005-06 22 SAC NBA 29 150 10.5 .474 .414 3.9 7.7 5.8 12.1 2.1 0.0 13.6 22.4 94 107 -0.1 0.1 0.1 .021
2006-07 23 SAC NBA 58 563 10.5 .489 .451 3.1 11.9 7.4 13.7 2.5 0.5 14.4 18.3 96 107 -0.1 0.5 0.4 .035
2007-08 24 UTA NBA 61 588 12.3 .516 .495 1.7 7.8 4.8 19.4 2.8 0.4 12.0 19.1 106 107 0.5 0.6 1.1 .094
2008-09 25 UTA NBA 52 738 8.5 .465 .426 1.9 9.2 5.6 21.3 2.7 0.5 21.5 17.2 91 108 -0.7 0.8 0.1 .009
2009-10 26 UTA NBA 60 806 10.3 .476 .442 4.2 6.6 5.4 22.0 2.5 1.3 17.3 18.0 98 106 -0.1 1.0 0.9 .056
2010-11 27 UTA NBA 59 717 5.5 .434 .400 3.7 6.6 5.1 11.7 3.1 0.6 19.5 18.0 84 110 -1.2 0.5 -0.7 -0.048
2011-12 28 PHO NBA 18 311 10.7 .492 .461 4.4 7.3 5.9 22.0 3.4 0.7 23.5 15.8 94 103 0.0 0.3 0.3 .044
Career NBA 337 3873 9.4 .476 .442 3.1 8.2 5.6 18.0 2.8 0.7 17.4 18.1 95 107 -1.6 3.9 2.3 .028
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Generated 1/28/2012.

Sebastian Telfair

Telfair has the speed and quickness to attack the basket, but lacks the strength and body control to finish, as well as the vision and instincts to find the open man. This neutralizes what might otherwise be his best skill, and is one reason he's on the sixth team of his career and was readily available when the Suns came calling. He's no mutt talent-wise, as his #13 selection in the 2004 draft can attest.

Still, Telfair is only an adequate 10-minute/game player at best, and his production so far has been worse than Price's. On a Suns team searching for an identity and lacking a cohesive and talented supporting cast, Telfair doesn't have much chance to succeed. He has plenty of shortcomings of his own, and his teammates aren't helping him out. Did we expect anything different here?

Season Age Tm Lg G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
2004-05 19 POR NBA 68 1330 9.7 .471 .413 0.9 7.8 4.5 27.8 1.4 0.2 20.4 21.2 93 111 -0.9 0.5 -0.4 -0.013
2005-06 20 POR NBA 68 1641 13.0 .491 .444 1.4 7.5 4.4 26.5 2.2 0.3 14.9 22.2 99 114 0.4 0.2 0.6 .017
2006-07 21 BOS NBA 78 1578 8.6 .458 .410 1.3 7.1 4.1 22.7 1.4 0.5 15.8 17.8 95 110 -0.5 1.0 0.5 .015
2007-08 22 MIN NBA 60 1933 10.4 .462 .430 0.9 7.4 4.0 27.7 1.6 0.5 15.6 16.6 100 114 0.2 0.5 0.7 .018
2008-09 23 MIN NBA 75 2095 10.8 .481 .435 1.7 5.5 3.5 26.1 1.8 0.4 16.0 19.6 100 114 0.0 0.8 0.8 .019
2009-10 24 TOT NBA 43 659 10.3 .479 .445 0.9 7.1 4.0 29.9 1.9 0.6 18.7 18.4 98 111 -0.1 0.4 0.3 .020
2009-10 24 LAC NBA 39 582 9.8 .470 .437 1.0 7.2 4.1 30.3 2.0 0.6 19.7 17.4 97 112 -0.1 0.3 0.2 .015
2009-10 24 CLE NBA 4 77 14.0 .518 .486 0.0 5.9 3.1 27.1 1.4 0.0 13.7 26.4 102 108 0.0 0.1 0.1 .065
2010-11 25 MIN NBA 37 711 10.5 .497 .461 2.6 5.9 4.2 24.2 1.7 0.3 19.3 19.9 98 114 0.0 0.2 0.1 .008
2011-12 26 PHO NBA 12 131 9.9 .426 .356 2.6 9.1 5.9 13.9 3.2 0.0 11.9 26.9 87 103 -0.2 0.1 0.0 -0.015
Career NBA 441 10078 10.5 .475 .430 1.3 6.9 4.1 26.1 1.7 0.4 16.7 19.4 98 113 -1.0 3.6 2.6 .013
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Generated 1/28/2012.

Goran Dragic

Last season was a huge disappointment for the Suns after the spectacular playoff run of 2010, and one of the biggest letdowns was that Dragic didn't continue his ascent when he had been such a key player in that playoff run. He had become a capable backup to Nash, but last season Dragic regressed in all areas of the game with the Suns.

Season Age Tm Lg G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
2008-09 22 PHO NBA 55 728 9.8 .487 .438 5.5 10.8 8.3 20.8 2.0 0.3 22.4 19.7 96 113 -0.3 0.4 0.1 .005
2009-10 23 PHO NBA 80 1442 14.8 .566 .527 3.2 9.8 6.7 24.1 1.7 0.4 18.3 21.1 110 112 2.0 0.8 2.8 .094
2010-11 24 TOT NBA 70 1234 13.2 .524 .499 3.3 9.9 6.6 25.6 2.1 0.6 19.0 22.4 100 111 0.2 0.8 1.0 .040
2010-11 24 PHO NBA 48 856 11.2 .492 .465 3.2 8.4 5.8 26.8 2.1 0.5 21.1 24.0 93 111 -0.7 0.5 -0.2 -0.012
2010-11 24 HOU NBA 22 378 17.7 .604 .584 3.6 13.2 8.4 22.7 1.9 0.7 13.0 18.9 120 109 0.9 0.3 1.2 .157
2011-12 25 HOU NBA 19 375 15.3 .546 .504 1.8 8.3 5.1 27.1 1.7 0.4 16.4 19.1 110 106 0.7 0.2 1.0 .124
Career NBA 224 3779 13.4 .536 .500 3.5 9.9 6.8 24.3 1.9 0.4 19.1 21.0 104 111 2.7 2.2 4.9 .062
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Generated 1/28/2012.

Dragic was expected to do more running that second team, but his backcourt partner Leandro Barbosa was gone, replaced by a player who can't handle the ball or shoot well in Josh Childress. Frye and Dudley were still there to supply spacing and scoring with their 3-point shooting, but virtually all of the playmaking was placed on Dragic's shoulders and he couldn't handle the heavy load. Dragic looked skittish, and his shooting and turnover numbers plummeted. Once traded to Houston, Dragic looked like the player Suns fans fell in love with in 2010, and continues to excel this season. This again points to an organizational failure rather than an individual one.

Aaron Brooks

In a controversial trade (which it's not my intent to revisit; we've discussed it plenty), the Suns traded Dragic and the lower of their 2011 1st round picks for former league Most Improved Player Aaron Brooks. Brooks did provide an upgrade from the erratic Dragic, as he had experience leading a team as a starter, and could both create and finish.

But Brooks is a terrible defender, and a volume shooter who didn't do a lot to set up his teammates. Had he returned to Phoenix this season, he'd probably be one of the team's leading scorers, but at what cost given the other shortcomings in his game? Still, a player who can actually put the ball in the basket would be welcome right about now, wouldn't he? Brooks is currently lighting it up for the Guangdong Southern Tigers (I had to include their sweet logo) of the Chinese Basketball Association.

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He remains a restricted free agent in the NBA, and could potentially return to Phoenix after the CBA season ends but that will be around March. The Suns are looking like they'll be toast well before then.

Season Age Tm Lg G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
2007-08 23 HOU NBA 51 608 13.1 .535 .493 2.5 7.9 5.2 23.5 1.1 0.6 15.1 21.8 107 106 0.6 0.8 1.4 .112
2008-09 24 HOU NBA 80 1998 12.9 .521 .476 2.0 7.0 4.6 20.2 1.2 0.3 12.7 22.9 105 108 1.4 2.2 3.6 .086
2009-10 25 HOU NBA 82 2919 16.0 .549 .511 2.0 6.6 4.2 25.6 1.2 0.3 13.7 25.7 108 112 3.9 1.6 5.5 .091
2010-11 26 TOT NBA 59 1284 13.1 .489 .434 1.8 5.2 3.5 28.9 1.3 0.2 13.2 25.9 102 113 0.7 0.4 1.1 .040
2010-11 26 HOU NBA 34 811 11.7 .465 .408 1.5 5.6 3.6 25.2 1.3 0.2 11.5 26.1 99 113 0.1 0.3 0.4 .023
2010-11 26 PHO NBA 25 473 15.6 .533 .485 2.2 4.4 3.3 35.3 1.4 0.2 16.4 25.7 107 114 0.6 0.1 0.7 .070
Career NBA 272 6809 14.3 .528 .485 2.0 6.5 4.3 24.5 1.2 0.3 13.5 24.6 106 110 6.7 4.9 11.6 .082
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Generated 1/28/2012.

For better or worse?

When the Suns' bench was at its best in the 2009-2010 season, they had two players in Dragic and Barbosa who could handle the point, break down defenses driving to the hole and dish to 3-point shooters Dudley and Frye, with Lou Amundson cleaning up any mess. It wasn't fancy or always pretty, but the unit played enough defense and brought enough energy that the wheels didn't fall off when Nash was on the bench.

Brooks opted to play in China this year, as the NBA lockout looked as if it would swallow the season, and Dragic is filling in just fine as Kyle Lowry's backup in Houston. Telfair and Price are struggling, but not really any more than every other Suns player. Any of the four could be an effective backup PG in the right situation; the current Suns are anything but the right situation. The tough times for Steve Nash's backups aren't necessarily due to these players, though they haven't stemmed the tide of decline. Rather, they're symptoms of the franchise's failure to acquire and hold quality players overall.

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