Ronnie Price can be an effective backup, but the Suns are asking too much of him.

Finding a suitable backup for Steve Nash has been an intermittent problem for the Suns since Nash's return to Phoenix in 2004. When Nash is in the game, he wields such control over the playmaking responsibilities, and is so highly skilled in running the Suns offense, that it's difficult to find a point guard to come off the bench and replicate his style.

His one of a kind nature is both a blessing and a curse. The team is built with players intended to complement Nash's unique skills, but those same players must also play with another point guard. This requires playmaking from players who are usually only asked to finish when Nash has set them up with precision.

In years past, the Suns have had plenty of finishers who are excellent with Nash setting them up, and still effective without that advantage. The more recent editions of the team haven't had such players, and that's why the Suns have fallen from their perch as an elite team to be a lottery team.

The lack of adequate finishers has been the problem more so than poor backup PG play. That Nash is still able to lead the league in assists per game is not proof to the contrary at all, it's simply more evidence of Nash's elite skills. Can you imagine the assist numbers he could put up if surrounded by better shooters?

Let's take a look at the players who have backed up Nash and see how last season's cast compares to the current one, after the jump.

Comparisons from last season to this one have plenty of holes. The Suns are only 18 games into the season, and this will be a small snapshot of the performances of Ronnie Price and Sebastian Telfair. Goran Dragic's and Aaron Brooks' performances of last year have asterisks of their own: Dragic was playing with a different cast, with greater expectations, and Brooks had a short time to find his rhythm and comfort zone playing in only 25 games for the Suns last year. Not to make excuses, but excuses aren't the same as reasons, and there is no shortage of reasons for the poor performances of the Suns' backup point guards.

With all of those caveats in mind, the Suns' backup point guards of this season and last:

Ronnie Price

Price has moved into the starting lineup at shooting guard for the last 6 games, where he's done a decent job supplying defense and hustle, and relieving Nash of some of the ballhandling chores. But really, he's only starting there because the Suns are reaching for any effective starter at the 2-guard they can find. Starting the season with career backup Jared Dudley and then picking up an injured Michael Redd off the scrap heap are examples of this reaching.

As a backup to Nash, Price did a fair job. He isn't much of a shooter or playmaker (see his PER, true shooting % and ORtg below), but does play energetic defense and won't get you killed running the team with a good enough supporting cast. And again, there's the rub. It's been hard enough for the Suns to find players who can finish when Nash sets them up perfectly. Players who can finish on less than perfect passes, or create their own shots? (Sound of crickets chirping).

Season Age Tm Lg G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
2005-06 22 SAC NBA 29 150 10.5 .474 .414 3.9 7.7 5.8 12.1 2.1 0.0 13.6 22.4 94 107 -0.1 0.1 0.1 .021
2006-07 23 SAC NBA 58 563 10.5 .489 .451 3.1 11.9 7.4 13.7 2.5 0.5 14.4 18.3 96 107 -0.1 0.5 0.4 .035
2007-08 24 UTA NBA 61 588 12.3 .516 .495 1.7 7.8 4.8 19.4 2.8 0.4 12.0 19.1 106 107 0.5 0.6 1.1 .094
2008-09 25 UTA NBA 52 738 8.5 .465 .426 1.9 9.2 5.6 21.3 2.7 0.5 21.5 17.2 91 108 -0.7 0.8 0.1 .009
2009-10 26 UTA NBA 60 806 10.3 .476 .442 4.2 6.6 5.4 22.0 2.5 1.3 17.3 18.0 98 106 -0.1 1.0 0.9 .056
2010-11 27 UTA NBA 59 717 5.5 .434 .400 3.7 6.6 5.1 11.7 3.1 0.6 19.5 18.0 84 110 -1.2 0.5 -0.7 -0.048
2011-12 28 PHO NBA 18 311 10.7 .492 .461 4.4 7.3 5.9 22.0 3.4 0.7 23.5 15.8 94 103 0.0 0.3 0.3 .044
Career NBA 337 3873 9.4 .476 .442 3.1 8.2 5.6 18.0 2.8 0.7 17.4 18.1 95 107 -1.6 3.9 2.3 .028
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Generated 1/28/2012.

Sebastian Telfair

Telfair has the speed and quickness to attack the basket, but lacks the strength and body control to finish, as well as the vision and instincts to find the open man. This neutralizes what might otherwise be his best skill, and is one reason he's on the sixth team of his career and was readily available when the Suns came calling. He's no mutt talent-wise, as his #13 selection in the 2004 draft can attest.

Still, Telfair is only an adequate 10-minute/game player at best, and his production so far has been worse than Price's. On a Suns team searching for an identity and lacking a cohesive and talented supporting cast, Telfair doesn't have much chance to succeed. He has plenty of shortcomings of his own, and his teammates aren't helping him out. Did we expect anything different here?

Season Age Tm Lg G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
2004-05 19 POR NBA 68 1330 9.7 .471 .413 0.9 7.8 4.5 27.8 1.4 0.2 20.4 21.2 93 111 -0.9 0.5 -0.4 -0.013
2005-06 20 POR NBA 68 1641 13.0 .491 .444 1.4 7.5 4.4 26.5 2.2 0.3 14.9 22.2 99 114 0.4 0.2 0.6 .017
2006-07 21 BOS NBA 78 1578 8.6 .458 .410 1.3 7.1 4.1 22.7 1.4 0.5 15.8 17.8 95 110 -0.5 1.0 0.5 .015
2007-08 22 MIN NBA 60 1933 10.4 .462 .430 0.9 7.4 4.0 27.7 1.6 0.5 15.6 16.6 100 114 0.2 0.5 0.7 .018
2008-09 23 MIN NBA 75 2095 10.8 .481 .435 1.7 5.5 3.5 26.1 1.8 0.4 16.0 19.6 100 114 0.0 0.8 0.8 .019
2009-10 24 TOT NBA 43 659 10.3 .479 .445 0.9 7.1 4.0 29.9 1.9 0.6 18.7 18.4 98 111 -0.1 0.4 0.3 .020
2009-10 24 LAC NBA 39 582 9.8 .470 .437 1.0 7.2 4.1 30.3 2.0 0.6 19.7 17.4 97 112 -0.1 0.3 0.2 .015
2009-10 24 CLE NBA 4 77 14.0 .518 .486 0.0 5.9 3.1 27.1 1.4 0.0 13.7 26.4 102 108 0.0 0.1 0.1 .065
2010-11 25 MIN NBA 37 711 10.5 .497 .461 2.6 5.9 4.2 24.2 1.7 0.3 19.3 19.9 98 114 0.0 0.2 0.1 .008
2011-12 26 PHO NBA 12 131 9.9 .426 .356 2.6 9.1 5.9 13.9 3.2 0.0 11.9 26.9 87 103 -0.2 0.1 0.0 -0.015
Career NBA 441 10078 10.5 .475 .430 1.3 6.9 4.1 26.1 1.7 0.4 16.7 19.4 98 113 -1.0 3.6 2.6 .013
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Generated 1/28/2012.

Goran Dragic

Last season was a huge disappointment for the Suns after the spectacular playoff run of 2010, and one of the biggest letdowns was that Dragic didn't continue his ascent when he had been such a key player in that playoff run. He had become a capable backup to Nash, but last season Dragic regressed in all areas of the game with the Suns.

Season Age Tm Lg G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
2008-09 22 PHO NBA 55 728 9.8 .487 .438 5.5 10.8 8.3 20.8 2.0 0.3 22.4 19.7 96 113 -0.3 0.4 0.1 .005
2009-10 23 PHO NBA 80 1442 14.8 .566 .527 3.2 9.8 6.7 24.1 1.7 0.4 18.3 21.1 110 112 2.0 0.8 2.8 .094
2010-11 24 TOT NBA 70 1234 13.2 .524 .499 3.3 9.9 6.6 25.6 2.1 0.6 19.0 22.4 100 111 0.2 0.8 1.0 .040
2010-11 24 PHO NBA 48 856 11.2 .492 .465 3.2 8.4 5.8 26.8 2.1 0.5 21.1 24.0 93 111 -0.7 0.5 -0.2 -0.012
2010-11 24 HOU NBA 22 378 17.7 .604 .584 3.6 13.2 8.4 22.7 1.9 0.7 13.0 18.9 120 109 0.9 0.3 1.2 .157
2011-12 25 HOU NBA 19 375 15.3 .546 .504 1.8 8.3 5.1 27.1 1.7 0.4 16.4 19.1 110 106 0.7 0.2 1.0 .124
Career NBA 224 3779 13.4 .536 .500 3.5 9.9 6.8 24.3 1.9 0.4 19.1 21.0 104 111 2.7 2.2 4.9 .062
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Generated 1/28/2012.

Dragic was expected to do more running that second team, but his backcourt partner Leandro Barbosa was gone, replaced by a player who can't handle the ball or shoot well in Josh Childress. Frye and Dudley were still there to supply spacing and scoring with their 3-point shooting, but virtually all of the playmaking was placed on Dragic's shoulders and he couldn't handle the heavy load. Dragic looked skittish, and his shooting and turnover numbers plummeted. Once traded to Houston, Dragic looked like the player Suns fans fell in love with in 2010, and continues to excel this season. This again points to an organizational failure rather than an individual one.

Aaron Brooks

In a controversial trade (which it's not my intent to revisit; we've discussed it plenty), the Suns traded Dragic and the lower of their 2011 1st round picks for former league Most Improved Player Aaron Brooks. Brooks did provide an upgrade from the erratic Dragic, as he had experience leading a team as a starter, and could both create and finish.

But Brooks is a terrible defender, and a volume shooter who didn't do a lot to set up his teammates. Had he returned to Phoenix this season, he'd probably be one of the team's leading scorers, but at what cost given the other shortcomings in his game? Still, a player who can actually put the ball in the basket would be welcome right about now, wouldn't he? Brooks is currently lighting it up for the Guangdong Southern Tigers (I had to include their sweet logo) of the Chinese Basketball Association.

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He remains a restricted free agent in the NBA, and could potentially return to Phoenix after the CBA season ends but that will be around March. The Suns are looking like they'll be toast well before then.

Season Age Tm Lg G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
2007-08 23 HOU NBA 51 608 13.1 .535 .493 2.5 7.9 5.2 23.5 1.1 0.6 15.1 21.8 107 106 0.6 0.8 1.4 .112
2008-09 24 HOU NBA 80 1998 12.9 .521 .476 2.0 7.0 4.6 20.2 1.2 0.3 12.7 22.9 105 108 1.4 2.2 3.6 .086
2009-10 25 HOU NBA 82 2919 16.0 .549 .511 2.0 6.6 4.2 25.6 1.2 0.3 13.7 25.7 108 112 3.9 1.6 5.5 .091
2010-11 26 TOT NBA 59 1284 13.1 .489 .434 1.8 5.2 3.5 28.9 1.3 0.2 13.2 25.9 102 113 0.7 0.4 1.1 .040
2010-11 26 HOU NBA 34 811 11.7 .465 .408 1.5 5.6 3.6 25.2 1.3 0.2 11.5 26.1 99 113 0.1 0.3 0.4 .023
2010-11 26 PHO NBA 25 473 15.6 .533 .485 2.2 4.4 3.3 35.3 1.4 0.2 16.4 25.7 107 114 0.6 0.1 0.7 .070
Career NBA 272 6809 14.3 .528 .485 2.0 6.5 4.3 24.5 1.2 0.3 13.5 24.6 106 110 6.7 4.9 11.6 .082
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Generated 1/28/2012.

For better or worse?

When the Suns' bench was at its best in the 2009-2010 season, they had two players in Dragic and Barbosa who could handle the point, break down defenses driving to the hole and dish to 3-point shooters Dudley and Frye, with Lou Amundson cleaning up any mess. It wasn't fancy or always pretty, but the unit played enough defense and brought enough energy that the wheels didn't fall off when Nash was on the bench.

Brooks opted to play in China this year, as the NBA lockout looked as if it would swallow the season, and Dragic is filling in just fine as Kyle Lowry's backup in Houston. Telfair and Price are struggling, but not really any more than every other Suns player. Any of the four could be an effective backup PG in the right situation; the current Suns are anything but the right situation. The tough times for Steve Nash's backups aren't necessarily due to these players, though they haven't stemmed the tide of decline. Rather, they're symptoms of the franchise's failure to acquire and hold quality players overall.

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the Suns just couldn't get the ball in the basket tonight...

The Phoenix Suns came out hot to start the game tonight, taking an early lead in the first quarter 24-21 while shooting 53% and holding the Portland Trail Blazers to only 30%. After that, well...Let's just say things got markedly worse for the Suns from that point on.

The Suns scored only 9 points in the second quarter and followed up that horrific performance by scoring only 12 points in the third. On top of that, they turned the ball over 11 times and allowed Portland to score 26 points in the second and 31 points in the third. This isn't exactly a formula for success, and the Suns struggled to find any offense whatsoever from any player not named Grant Hill, who was still the only Suns player in double figures going into the 4th quarter. Sebastian Telfair hit a three point shot in the last minute of the 4th quarter to bring his total to 10 points...He was the only other player to reach double digits in scoring for the Suns tonight.

In contrast, Portland did what they wanted to all night long with LaMarcus Aldridge scoring 23 points and grabbing 7 rebounds in just three quarters (never played in the 4th), Gerald Wallace scoring 17 points, Wesley Matthews with 16 points, and Nicholas Batum with 14 points.

The Suns lost their third game in a row in pathetic fashion tonight, losing 109-71 and barely avoiding a franchise low scoring record thanks to a last minute three point shot by Sebastian Telfair, who was then subsequently tossed moments later after receiving his second technical foul of the night after not getting a foul called on a lay-up attempt. The entire night for the Suns was filled with missed opportunities, missed shots, and was missing intensity.

Read on after the jump for more on what went wrong tonight.

In the post game interview, even Suns' coach Alvin Gentry looked just as bewildered and at a loss for an explanation as anyone. Gentry made note of the horrendous 9-point second quarter and cited that as a major reason for the loss tonight. Of course, that wasn't the whole reason for the loss...The Suns were actually outscored in the second half of the game 62-38 as well, so it's not as if just one quarter was to blame.

Since there simply isn't any one thing to put a finger on as the reason for the complete and utter collapse tonight, perhaps it's best to sum up the game in a word...Pathetic.

Rather than attempt to describe just how badly the Suns fell apart tonight, take a look at the game notes and read through the quarter-by-quarter descent into oblivion that became the Suns modus operandi for the evening.

Game Notes:

First Quarter

Suns off to a nice start with baskets from both Hill and Nash to start the game.

Sloppy offense turns into two quick fast breaks from Portland to tie it up 4-4

Gerald Wallace off to a fast start scoring all 6 points for the Blazers (But none on Grant Hill yet)

Morris commits his 2nd foul already forcing Frye to come in off the bench. Foul trouble has been a concern for the rookie.

LMA abuses Frye in the post to get to the rim and put back his own miss

Suns leading 13-10 through the first half of the first quarter. Suns currently shooting 55%, Portland shooting only 30%. Blazers with 8 rebounds and the Suns with 5. Grant Hill leads all scorers with 7 points.

Hill with another basket…Now has 9 points.

Wallace gets his first bucket on Hill

Nash with his 5th assist on a pretty pass to Frye for a dunk!

At the end of the first Suns up 24-21. Suns shooting 53% and Portland shooting 35%. Suns with 14 rebounds and Portland with 12. Grant Hill leads the suns with 10 points and Gerald Wallace has 10 points for the Blazers. Steve Nash with 4 points and already has 6 assists. Suns and Blazers with 7 TO’s each.

Second Quarter

Suns have two quick turnovers to start the second quarter

Nash is on the bench to start the 2nd quarter, let’s see if the suns can keep their lead

Suns have turned the ball over three times and missed one shot to start the second quarter without Nash…Portland scores 7 unanswered points to take the lead 28-24. Gentry calls timeout

Telfair hits a jumper after the time out to end the Suns’ dry spell

LMA abuses Fry again in the post for another put back basket…This time with the and-one

Portland taking command now from fast breaks off missed shots…Blazers lead 42-30 halfway through the 2nd quarter. Portland has outscored the Suns by 19 points since Nash left the floor…Gentry is sending the starters back in

Michael Redd comes in with the starting unit in place of Price

Grant comes back in and instantly hits a jumper...Now has 12 points

Suns’ offense is still struggling even with the starters in…Missed shot after missed shot now.

Morris with another foul, his 3rd…Replaced by Warrick

Suns can’t buy a bucket right now

At the end of the second quarter Blazers lead 47-33. Suns only scored 9 points in the second quarter compared to Portlands’ 26. Suns now shooting only 37% to Portlands’ 42%. Suns committed 11 TO’s in the first half, Blazers committed 10. Suns have 27 rebounds, Blazers have 31. Grant Hill leading the Suns in scoring with 12 points. LMA leading the Blazers with 17 points and 6 rebounds. Marcus Camby leads the Blazers with 11 rebounds, Gortat leads the Suns with 7.

Third Quarter

Suns start the 3rd quarter with sloppy offensive possessions again. Portland scores the first 5 points of the quarter

Suns still missing shots…Four straight misses to start

LMA with another shot, this time over Markieff

LMA spins free of Markieff again for the alley-oop at the rim.

Blazers have outscored the Suns 13-3 in the first 5 minutes of the 3rd quarter and currently lead 60-36. This game is getting out of hand quickly. Gentry with another time out to try anything to get this team going

Another Suns turnover…Ugh

More open shots by the Blazers…Missed shots by the Suns. After scoring only 9 points in the 2nd quarter, the Suns have now scored only 6 points in the first 7 minutes of the 3rd. Blazers now up 68-39. Gentry calls timeout again.

Dudley hits a jumper…yay?

Childress is in now…Why not?

At the end of the 3rd quarter the Suns are down 78-45. Grant Hill is the only Suns player scoring in double digits with 12 (gortat 8pts 10rbs). Portland currently has four players scoring in double digits. Suns scored only 12 points in the 3rd quarter after scoring only 9 points in the 2nd.

Fourth Quarter

Suns score the first basket of the 4th quarter…Dudley now with 6 points.

Portland then scores six unanswered points…Gentry calls a timeout

Portland now has nothing but reserves on the court…Suns still getting all they can handle

Suns commit offensive foul trying to inbound the pass out of the timeout…I don’t think that’s what Gentry drew up

Childress with a dunk off a Dudley assist!

Telfair gets to the rim for a layup

Markieff Morris still has yet to score a point in this game…What happened?

Suns are getting absolutely destroyed 104-64 with two minutes left in the game.

Suns narrowly avoid setting a franchise low scoring record…They get to 71 points off a Telfair 3 pointer.

Morris finally gets on the board with a three-point hit. He's 1-4 from the field tonight and has 4 rebounds

Gortat will lose his 9 game double-double streak…Ends with 8 pts 10rbs. Doesn’t play in the 4th quarter

Telfair gets tossed on his 2nd technical foul of the game with 7 seconds left to play.

Suns shoot 37% on the night, Portland shoots 47%. Suns commit 22 TO’s, Portland commits 14. Suns outrebounded 59-50. Suns lose 109-71

Summary:

The Suns have another game tomorrow night at home against the Memphis Grizzlies. Alvin Gentry obviously chose to rest his starters in the 4th quarter so they would be fresh for tomorrow's game rather than try unsuccessfully to mount any type of comeback. Still, there's simply no excuse for this team to play this poorly. Even without the kind of talent on the roster that the Suns are accustomed to, there is still no reason for such a poor showing as this one. Where do they go from here? Who knows, but something has to change, that much is evident.

Hang on Suns fans...the winds of change are soon to be a blowin' on Planet Orange.

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Will the Suns be able to get a much needed win in Portland tonight? Who knows...

This will be a tough game, but with an even tougher road ahead the Suns need to find a way to get themselves back on the right track fast or they risk slipping further into a state of limbo.

Let's go!

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