Channing Frye is a big loss for the Phoenix Suns.

Channing Frye has been the source of much debate on Bright Side of the Sun. In fact, the 6-foot-11-inch power forward has somehow become perhaps the most polarizing player on the entire blog. Many people see him as a player who can easily be upgraded upon and whose importance to the team has been wildly overstated. Many others, like myself, see him as a key part of what the Suns have done in recent years whose impact went far beyond his raw statistics.

With Frye signing a four-year, $32 million deal with the Orlando Magic, the heated debates about him are likely to die down. However, I'd like to offer one final defense of Channing Frye, and in the process show what the Suns are going to have to replace with the Arizona native no longer in the Valley of the Sun.

The debates have seemingly split the Bright Side into two camps: one that believes that Frye is - to put it mildly - a net negative for the team and easily replaceable, while the other the believes he is a key piece to the team and beyond reproach.

While I place myself in the latter camp, I don't believe that is a fair characterization. Like all players, Channing Frye has his flaws and I'll gladly admit that. However, from my perspective, it seems like many of the attacks against him are of the same lazy, ignorant, stereotypical nature that are unfair and off-base. Therefore, I reject that position and defend Frye against those claims, perhaps making it seem like I think he's a great player. He's not.

But arguments like "spacing is overrated," and "he's soft," and "he can't rebound" and "he can't even post up a guard"  and "he's streaky" are constantly regurgitated as strikes against Frye's worth, and those frankly don't hold much water when you look closely at the situation.

Here's why.

"Spacing is Overrated"

Floor spacing through the threat of a 3-point shot is the number one asset Channing Frye brings to a team. You can say that is an overrated asset all you want, but that position simply isn't backed up in the numbers. If you really don't understand why it is so valuable, I really can't help you.

The Suns' system is all about Goran Dragic and Eric Bledsoe driving the lane and scoring in the paint. Per the SportVU numbers at, the Suns are seventh in the NBA in points through drives. However, they are also third in the entire league in field goal percentage on drives behind only the San Antonio Spurs and the Miami Heat, two pretty decent teams you may have heard of.

The Suns' success with drives is due in large part to the massive talents of those doing the driving - namely, Dragic and Bledsoe. They're two of the best. However, part of the reason for their success is Frye's presence on the court. Every team in the league knows what Frye is capable of, and every defensive game plan tells its players that they can't leave Frye open. His mere presence draws a defender away from the basket and gives the two point guards that much more space to work with. It's a symbiotic relationship, and one that has worked very well for the Suns over the years, something Kirk Goldsberry pointed out in a midseason article for Grantland,.

Frye has a gravitational pull that forces bigs away from the rim, creating attacking corridors for Dragic, who excels at "turning the corner," attacking the basket, and making plays. In turn, Dragic's attacking abilities create wide-open looks for Frye or other perimeter shooters. This symbiosis is the heart of the Suns' offensive ecosystem, and it is by no means an accident.

Frye's positive impact is plain to see by looking at point differential via

In 2013-14, the Suns were +6.1 points with Frye on the floor (best among the regular rotation players with Shavlik Randolph and Leandro Barbosa as outliers), while they were -2.3 with him on the bench (second worst behind Dragic's -3.2). Frye's net differential was +8.2, second on the team behind Dragic's +8.6. Seven of the Suns' top 10 five-man line-ups include Frye, and the Suns were +145 with those 7 line-ups.

This has been a trend with Frye. In 2011-12, his on-court differential was +4.8 (best on the team) and off-court was -5.9 (second behind Steve Nash's -7.7). His net differential was +10.7 (second best behind Nash's +12.0). It was more of the same in 2010-11, where his on-court differential was +1.9, his off-court differential was -5.8 and his net differential was +7.7, all second behind only Nash on the team.

The fact of the matter is the Suns have been better with Channing Frye on the court. You can say that's more about who he is playing with than anything he is doing, but Frye is the one common denominator and to assume he has little to do with it is reaching; Occam's razor says Frye is valuable.

Don't take my word for it. Former Sun and a long-time teammate of Frye, Jared Dudley, follows me on Twitter (humble brag) and while I was tweeting about the Suns' offseason Dudley direct messaged me, saying "No Frye though? Spacing won't be the same." This is a man who has benefited first hand from the Frye spacing and played alongside him for years. He knows Frye's value.

"He's soft"

People often comment about how Frye is too weak inside and some think any player (Alec Brown, John Leuer, insert favorite random stretch four here) can replace him.

First of all, this is 2014. NBA big men don't all have to be back-to-the-basket, old school post players. The fact that Frye does most of his damage outside the paint is not a check mark against him. Where it matters - on the defensive end - Frye does just fine.

Per, opponents shot 45 percent against Frye in the post and scored 0.83 points per possession, ranked a respectable 115th of all qualifying NBA players. He only fouled 8.5 percent of the time, while forcing a turnover 15.2 percent of the time. He fared even better against roll men in the pick-and-roll, as opponents shot just 39.5 percent against him and scored just 0.83 points per possession, good for a rank of 37th overall. Frye's interior defense is good enough to get it done.

"He can't rebound"

Frye's total rebound numbers have been very underwhelming for a starting big man in the NBA. However, Frye holds his own on the glass better than his raw totals would lead you to believe. Frye has been an average-to-solid defensive rebounder, where it is truly important. It's his offensive rebounding that brings his total number down so much. That's where being a stand-still 3-point shooter hurts him. Frye pops to the 3-point line or spots up at the top of the key and on the wings, and his lack of foot speed means he rarely gets involved in offensive rebound chances.

His defensive rebounding percentage was down to 16 this year, but he was playing next to a guy who chases after every board in Plumlee (24.4 percent defensive rebound rate) and there's that whole coming back after a year of inactivity thing as well.

In 2010-11 and 2011-12 he was over 20 percent on the defensive glass. That's better than guys like Markieff Morris, Ryan Anderson, David West, Roy Hibbert, Serge Ibaka and Taj Gibson. His career defensive rebound rate is at 18.9 percent which, while not among the league's best, isn't as bad as the total rebound number indicates.

There aren't many players who can shoot it as well as Frye does yet also hold his own defensively and on the glass. There's a reason guys like Luke Zeller can be the "best shooter in the world in practice" yet not even make an NBA roster.

"He can't even post up a guard"

Many lament Frye's lack of versatility, saying all he can do is shoot 3-pointers. However, his third most common play type (behind spotting up and pick-and-roll/pop) is posting up, something he did 95 times in 82 games last year per Synergy. Frye shot 48.9 percent in the post and scored 0.95 points per possession, ranked 34th overall.

Frye is not a guy who you can dump it down to in the post against anyone and expect to get a quality look. He isn't Al Jefferson or Tim Duncan or Zach Randolph. However, when he gets a perimeter player switched onto him - something that is pretty common with the Suns' pick-and-rolls - Frye is more than capable of posting up and scoring if the situation calls for it.

"He's streaky"

I can't really argue this one, sadly. Shocking development here, but a jump shooter is streaky.

Here are his 3-point shooting percentages by month this past season: 20.0, 41.1, 42.9, 42.1, 32.9, 28.6, 31.7. That's pretty consistent, actually, until you get to his post All-Star break slump. He shot 37.0 percent from three overall.

Let's compare those numbers to Ryan Anderson's relatively healthy 2012-13 numbers, as Anderson is the player most compared to Frye.His numbers are: 20.0, 45.5, 37.2, 38.5, 39.4, 35.2, 30.4. Anderson shot 38,2 percent from three.

Shooters are going to be somewhat inconsistent from game to game, but that's because it's really hard to be a knock-down shooter in the NBA. However, those numbers tend to show consistency in larger sample sizes, and even with his slump Frye was still one of the premier shooting big men in the league.

The following are from the SportVU numbers on

In catch-and-shoot situations, Frye's 5.0 3-point attempts per game is second among big men (behind 22 games of Ryan Anderson) and fifth overall. In makes, he's third in big men behind Anderson and Kevin Love and eighth overall at 1.9 per game.

In percentage (38.1), he was seventh among big men behind Spencer Hawes, Anthony Tolliver (obligatory sign Tolliver comment here), Anderson, Dirk Nowitzki, Love and Mirza Teletovic. Again, this is taking into account Frye's numbers post All-Star break/hitting the wall.

In total catch-and-shoot points, he was second in big men behind only Nowitzki and fourth overall with 562 points. On a per game basis, he was seventh overall, but he was second in players that saw less than 30 minutes per game (he played 28.3 per).

Frye is one of the very best jump-shooting big men in the league, and he is not going to be easily replaced unless you can acquire Dirk Nowitzki, Kevin Love or Ryan Anderson.

Final Argument

I've spent 1700 words on Frye, and I haven't even touched on his biggest contribution other than spacing - the pick-and-pop.

Per Synergy, Frye scored 1.18 points per possession as the roll man in the pick-and-roll, which includes both roll and pop numbers. That was ranked 17th overall. He shot 48 percent overall as the roll/pop man and 46.1 percent from 3-point range.

On February 28th of last season,'s John Schumann wrote a post for the Hangtime Blog about the best pick-and-rolls in the league, and the Suns featured prominently at the top.


Per Schumann, at that point Dragic and Frye was the best two-man game in the league with at least 100 pick-and-roll possessions.


For those that still doubt Frye's importance to the team - and to Goran Dragic's Most Improved Player an All-NBA Third Team season - Dragic ran nearly the same number of pick-and-rolls with Plumlee yet the Suns only scored 1.03 points per possession, which is the league average. Per Schumann, Dragic only passed to Plumlee 25 percent of the time while he found Frye 48 percent of the time.

Due in large part to Frye's effectiveness, Dragic was the most efficient pick-and-roll ball-handler among the 46 starting point guards and other high usage wing players.


Dragic to Frye was one of the deadliest weapons in the NBA last season, and Dragic has said himself how important Frye was in that Grantland piece by Goldsberry (go read the whole thing).

This year, when we play pick-and-roll, Channing stretches the floor, so I have room to operate. I can get inside the paint and make other plays for him and everybody else. He just gives us that spacing, and especially for me and Eric, he makes things much easier, because nobody can rotate from him.?

The Suns were one of the worst shooting teams in the league during 2012-13 while Frye was forced to sit out, and his return was one of the biggest factors in the team's improved play.

Channing Frye has been a humongous part of the Phoenix Suns over the last few years. It was probably the right call to let him sign in Orlando; Orlando can afford to pay him $8 million per year while the Suns - with an eye towards upgrading the team and not merely maintaining the status quo - likely could not.

The Suns have had a good offseason. The acquisition of Isaiah Thomas addressed the team's biggest need in a back-up point guard and health insurance for Eric Bledsoe. Bringing P.J. Tucker back on the wing was a key move, and T.J. Warren looks to be a good pick-up from the draft.

However, the Suns have yet to address the loss of Frye. Neither of the Morris twins can bring what Channing Frye brought and what I spelled out in this post. The Suns are either going to have to acquire one of the other premier stretch forwards such as Kevin Love or Ryan Anderson, or they're going to have to adjust the system.

Channing Frye is a big loss, and this Suns fan, for one, will miss him greatly. As will the Suns unless they have a plan B in the works.

Cue Ryan McDonough.

The Phoenix Suns like point guards and they like playing point guards together. So it wasn't a surprise when point guards Tyler Ennis and Seth Curry took the floor together in crunch time of a summer league barn burner.

The story in the Suns win over the Bucks was the great combo play of Tyler Ennis and Seth Curry in the fourth quarter of Sunday's win over the Bucks. Summer coach Mike Longabardi said after the first game that he should have played the two together against the Warriors and then, guess what, he did play them together against the Bucks. That's the kind of honesty and followthrough you like to see from your coach.

"That was a great combination, it worked very well for us. Seth, actually, was on fire but I think Tyler did a great job executing pick and roll offense, getting in the lane, making the right plays at the right time and we made some shots. And to me, the biggest difference was last night we didn't make a three and tonight we made 11 so that's huge," Longabardi said.

For his part, Curry proved his knowledge of the NBA interview cliche routine: "It felt good. I got some good looks. I just tried to get open and my teammates found me. Coach drew up some good plays for me so I felt good. I felt like anything I threw up was going to go in."

Well done. Any professional basketball player named "Seth" has a place in my heart.

My big observation of the game was Alec Brown. I'm not the least bit worried about his poor shooting which Longabardi chalked up to nerves and jitters. I thought his defensive rotations were solid even if he was physically overmatched to the point where I thought he was shaking his head in amazement at the freakish athleticism and size of Giannis Antetokounmpo. But who can blame him?

That might lead to Brown being destined for a long career in the D-league but then again there was this comparison made by his coach to a recently departed hero:

"He's a seven-footer who can shoot a three. I mean, I like that. I'm not being sarcastic. It is a high release. It's a tough one. You see when we're out there, Miles (Plumlee) rolls to the rim it's almost, I don't want to say like Channing (Frye) but there's some similarities there because if you hug Alec than Miles is going to get a layup. If you come in and pull in on the roll then Alec is going to get an open shot."

Here's some more quotes to chew on with your lunch:


On Alec Brown

"Really good. Last night, I just thought he was nervous to be honest with you. I shouldn't say nervous, he probably had the jitters. I told him and the coaches told him, you're a 40 percent three-point shooter, don't hesitate to shoot. Tonight, he made a free throw early which is always good for a shooter to get that one easy one to get your rhythm going so that was good."

On Dionte Christmas

"I was a little concerned about him offensively against Giannis because he's so long and he is just so disruptive that I just told him we need you on defense now, let's try and stay away from Giannis as much as we can because he just disrupts everything. But he (Christmas) did make some key plays. He made some threes, he drove the ball. He did a really, really good job."

On the game

"These guys played hard, man. You've got to give them all the credit. They really played balls out. I don't know if i can say that."

T.J. Warren should be fine. Was held out the rest of the game as a precaution.

Seth Curry

"I might be in a little bit better shape (having played last week in Orlando) and I was in the rhythm of going up and down playing in actual game. But it's different playing in Orlando than playing in front of a real crowd like this. That's four games in four days so I'm kind of worn out right now."

"Anytime you step on the court, especially in summer league, you are playing for all 30 teams in the league. Everybody can see what you're doing and nobody has my rights or anything like that so just going out there trying to complete and show what I can do."

"I'm experienced playing four years in college and then playing in the D-league learning the NBA game. I think it gives me a little bit of an advantage getting up and down knowing the style of play and the pace of the game and things like that."

"I think that's one of my biggest weapons I can bring to a team. Handling the ball most of the game and then going in there with Tyler towards the end of the game and play off the ball and spread the court. I feel like that's one of my advantages that I can bring."

"He's (Ennis) is a solid point guard. He's a good leader. Runs the team. Doesn't make too many mistakes. He's always composed even though he's so young."

I will leave all the "lesser brother" jokes to you folks in the comments.

Welcome to the Madhouse! Bright Side of the Sun is an amazing and diverse community and it deserves a place where the tyranny of topicality does not rule. And that's what The Madhouse is. It's Bright Side of the Sun's place to talk about whatever you want, whenever you want: favorite TV shows, news from around the league or how LORD HAVE MERCY, MILES PLUMLEE!

Okay Summer League and Free-Agency, enough of that, I'm bored... Time for some meaningful and borderline historic basketball happening here in the Valley right now.

Record: 16-3 (.842)

Place In Standings: First (+1.5 on Minnesota)

Points Per Game: 84.53 (1st)

Points Against: 74.90 (3rd)


In the span of 82 games last year the entire NBA went 0/32 on teams with a 10-game winning streak. This is the second longest home winning streak (11-games in 1999) in franchise history and the team has not lost in over a month. Ten games represents 29.4% of the WNBA season. So, the Mercury are rolling.
Part of this 10-game winning streak has been Penny Taylor starting all ten of these games after playing off the bench in the first nine games.
Another part has been the defenses steady improvement. On a week-over-week scale the Mercury have shaved three points per game against in a week and are the third best defensive team in the league. In the 10-games they have given up 80+ points only twice, won by a margin of 11.8 points per game, and ran five teams out of the gym.
No NBA team did this last year. Not the San Antonio Spurs. Not the Miami Heat. Not even the MonStars. Up next for the Mercury is the Minnesota Lynx 2012 13-game winning streak and the bell toll for winning streaks is the Houston Comets 15 game winning streak from 1998.


History will continue happening...

Diana Taurasi has been making history. Candice Dupree made some history herself this year. As the writing starts to appear on the wall Brittney Griner so far through two seasons has 161 total blocks in just 45 games. An average of 3.4 blocks per game, which is nearly a full block more than Margo Dydek and a block and a half more than the icon Lisa Leslie. By seasons end, after just two WNBA seasons, Griner could be hovering around 220 total blocks. How impressive is that?
It took 400 games for Swin Cash to net 239 blocks. Griner will do that in 61 games in all likelihood.
Her pace is absolutely incredible. Think of it this way: If Griner simply plays () games at her current 3.4 blocks per game pace she will pass Leslie in her 7th season (around 215 games) for second All-Time in blocks. The next season she would eviscerate the record in blocks. It took Margo (323 games) to get the record and Leslie 363 games to find her place in history.
Think about that for a minute.


...and Let's Compare The Mercury/Suns.

Last season the Phoenix Suns hit the six game mark once and the five game mark twice in terms of winning streaks, different types of seasons, but why not take a look at that while we are here. The Mercury have played 19-gmaes which is 55.8% of the WNBA season, or roughly 46 NBA games.
At the 46 game mark the Suns were 28-18 (60.8%) playing some of the best basketball of their season as a whole.
This has been one hell of a year for basketball in the state of Arizona as a whole, considering. The Suns shocked the world, the Mercury are making history, the Arizona Wildcats flirted with a National Championship run, and the Arizona State Sun Devils made the tournament in general.


Upcoming Schedule

Tuesday vs. Washington Mystics at 7:00 p.m. AZ Time

Thursday vs. Connecticut Sun at 7:00 p.m. AZ Time

Recent reports indicate that the Suns are turning to the Morris twins to fill the floor-spacing role vacated by Channing Frye. Are they up to the task?

This summer the Suns have taken their dual-point offense to even greater heights with the signing of Isaiah Thomas, and added scoring punch through the draft with T.J. Warren, who might be ready to contribute immediately if his early showings in Las Vegas are any indication.

Thomas and Warren both possess undeniable instincts for getting the ball through the cylinder, and in an offense based around tempo and putting relentless pressure on opposing defenses they figure to fit like a glove.

However, an obvious blemish remains on the Suns' efforts this summer in the departure of Channing Frye, exacerbated by the fact that Markieff Morris is currently the only true power forward on the Suns' depth chart.

Stalled Markets and the Dog Days of Summer

The obvious ideal addition to fill Frye's stretchy shoes would be Kevin Love, but it doesn't appear that Flip Saunders and the T-Wolves are in any rush to move their All-World power forward.

Phx Suns discussed trade for Kevin Love yesterday/ would need 3rd team involved/ Suns do not have the right assets for deal

— Jude LaCava (@judefox10) July 13, 2014

This is nothing to be discouraged about; as long as Love is still a Timberwolf, the Suns will be in the discussion. And despite LaCava's assertion, the Suns have plenty of assets -- it's just not the right time for the T-Wolves to accept them yet.

Basically, if I'm Flip Saunders the only way I'm dealing Love directly to the Suns now is if either Dragic or Bledsoe are included.

And if I'm Ryan McDonough, the only way I'm directly trading for Love now is if both Dragic and Bledsoe are off the table.

So it goes.

As much as the sanity of the fans involved is compromised, there is no impetus on either side of the trade docks to force a deal right now, a full seven months before the trading deadline. There's a reason that these disgruntled star player storylines take so long to be resolved -- until the clock really starts ticking there is simply no incentive to settle on a deal that is anything less than stellar.

The Suns are holding onto their assets very tightly, and they're going to keep playing chess instead of losing patience and breaking out the checkers board. Be grateful for that, even as the Chinese water torture of summer begs to drive you insane.

In the meantime, the Suns appear to be turning to their own roster for a stopgap solution.

McDonough & Ennis discuss Thomas' addition. Markieff & Marcus Morris will be #Suns stretch-4 options with Frye gone.

— Paul Coro (@paulcoro) July 13, 2014

Per Coro's article:

It would be hard for the Suns to replace the stretch big-man element of Channing Frye, who departed for Orlando in free agency. That could happen internally.

"Markieff (Morris) has worked on his range," McDonough said. "Markieff is a good player and scores in a different way than Channing most of the time. We see Marcus Morris in that role some as a stretch four who can spread the floor. He shot a great percentage from 3-point range last year. We think he'll play some small forward and power forward."

Let's pretend this is true for a moment, even though McDonough's quote hardly matches Coro's tweet. If Frye's role will indeed be assigned to the Morris twins, will the summer of 2014 yield immediate improvement for the Suns? They have continued to stockpile assets with Warren, Tyler Ennis, Bogdan Bogdanovic, and Isaiah Thomas figures to be a lock to outplay the modest contract he was signed to, but have they done enough to exceed or even match their win total of 48 from last season?

Mo' Morri, Mo' Problems?

Despite their breakout seasons in 2013/14, the Morris twins present more questions than answers if they are going to move up the depth chart.


Markieff was indispensable at times as a frontcourt scoring threat, scoring 13.8 PPG in a variety of ways while playing nearly as many minutes off the bench (26.6) as Frye did in the starting lineup (28.2). He was also third on the team in FTA/36 minutes with 5.5.

However, despite his increase in scoring production his 3P% fell to .315, which he will have to improve if he is to create any space in the paint when spotting up outside. The irony here is that his emergence coincided with him spending less time on the perimeter. Do the Suns really want to take him away from the areas in which he is most effective for the sake of keeping the offensive scheme static? Is employing a stretch big worth eliminating a frontcourt scoring threat?

Also of concern, will he be overexposed as a starting PF? Is it reasonable to increase his minutes and workload without expecting some drop in production?

See what I mean about questions?


While Markieff's improvement was more noticeable, Marcus made a niche for himself as a spot-up combo forward last season, knocking down a stellar 38% of his attempts from deep. He wasn't bashful about it either, hoisting 5.2 3PA per 36 minutes.

Like his bro, Marcus also showed some midrange skills, shooting .486 on 109 attempts from 10-16 feet, which surprisingly topped Markieff at .478 on 186 attempts.

Playing time at the small forward position will likely be at a premium with Gerald Green, T.J. Warren and perhaps Archie Goodwin all vying for minutes behind the newly re-signed P.J. Tucker. Coupled with the departure of Frye this should result in more minutes for Marcus as a power forward, and if he can sustain his shooting percentages he will make life much easier for Dragic, Bledsoe and Thomas.

At 6'9 and 235 he should have enough size for a true power forward, but it would help if he offered some tenacity when battling the big guys. He tends to play smaller than he actually is, which might be the only thing holding him back from being a full time stretch-big.

Oh yeah, defense

Both of the Morris twins will have to produce on offense if they're going to be spending more time down low on defense. They both lack the length and instincts to be reliable paint defenders, and more minutes for the twins might in turn put a greater onus on the development of young centers Miles Plumlee and Alex Len, who have only played a combined 136 regular season games.

The good news here is that they won't exactly be replacing a defensive stalwart in Frye, and there may be enough natural growth at the center position and within the scheme of Mike Longabardi to mitigate the effect of the Mo Bros' shortcomings.

If guys like Carlos Boozer and Zach Randolph can be a part of an elite defense, there is hope for the Morri.

If all else fails, there is enough scoring talent on this roster to drop 130 points with a bad hangover.

Adjusted Expectations

Within the context of summer popcorn headlines about Kevin Love and Chris Bosh, it's difficult not to be a little disappointed at the thought of replacing Channing Frye with nothing more than two guys who served behind him on the depth chart last season.

On the other hand, you could do a hell of a lot worse than two guys coming off of breakout seasons and heading into a contract year. If the Morris twins indeed head into the 2014/15 seasons with increased roles and a chance to climb into the "A" tier of the 2015 free agent pool, they'll have all the motivation they need to turn in another career year.

At a shade under $3 million per twin, the Suns would again be getting a ridiculous bargain.

Even more than last season, this Suns team will begin and end with their backcourt. Any hopes of stopping the Suns will rest upon containing Dragic, Bledsoe and Thomas. Even then, Gerald Green might pop off for 41 points.

They have established the best guard rotation in the NBA, and they accomplished this feat in a single calendar year. There is still work to do, but I can imagine plenty of worse scenarios than giving the Morris twins a chance to prove themselves before they hit free agency.

Let's see what they can do.

Well, at least until February.

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