The NBPA's Executive Committee met with player representatives today to discuss the league's latest CBA offer, which commissioner David Stern has publicly stated will be the best deal offered and that their next proposal would be even more favorable for owners. Stern issued an ultimatum that if the players didn't agree to this proposal by 5PM EST tomorrow, the next round of negotiations would begin with owners offering a lesser deal.
Players rejected the proposal and don't appear intimidated by Stern's threat. However, union president Derek Fisher did indicate that the 50/50 basketball-related income (BRI) split would be acceptable to players, if they could get some more favorable terms on other system issues (mid-level exception and luxury tax among them).
"We’re open-minded about potential compromises on our number," Fisher said, referring to the revenue share for the players. "But there are things in the system that are not up for discussion, that we have to have, in order to be able to get this season going again."
It might seem alarming that players announced rejection of this deal in the face of Stern's deadline and chatter of union decertification among some players, but nothing else could really have been expected. Of course they weren't going to announce that they would accept the owners' proposal outright. That would be unconditional surrender, and there's still another day for the union to try to wring something else from the owners. And that's if we're taking Stern's threat seriously; more time if not. There's nothing special about Wednesday, November 9 except that Stern chose this arbitrary date to set his deadline.
UPDATE 11/9/11 10:40AM PST : According to several reports, owners and players are meeting in NYC hotel today for negotiations.
UPDATE II 11/9/11 2:02PM PST: Stern's 5PM EST "deadline" passes, sides still meeting. Real deadline is at the end of today's session.
That the union seems willing to accept the 50/50 split is reason for optimism, depending upon how much separation still truly exists on those system issues. There was also reportedly little to no discussion of decertifying the union, a move that would throw the process into chaos and legal purgatory, in today's meeting.
No meeting between owners and the union is scheduled yet for tomorrow, but it's hard to imagine there won't be one. And it's possible the owners throw the players some small bone on the system issues and, by this time tomorrow, we're all celebrating that NBA basketball will be back by mid-December.
However, I don't think that will happen. Even the current "best offer" from the owners, the one that the players rejected today is not enough of a victory for some hard-line owners, tweeted ESPN's Chris Broussard. According to Broussard:
The owners on the call included Michael Jordan, Paul Allen and Herb Kohl. They are hoping the players reject the offer, sources said...The owners fear the player reps meeting in NYC Tuesday will push for approval of the deal. David Stern was not on the conference call. The hard-line owners prefer the alternative deal that will go into effect Wed if players reject 50/50 - 47 pct, flex cap, contract rollbacks
More posturing from the owners? Perhaps. But it seems like there is at least a decent-sized chunk of owners who really won't mind losing a lot of, or maybe all of this season. Even this "almost" deal we have here is unacceptable to the hard-liners on each side. Maybe I've just been burned with dashed hopes too many times before, but I don't see this settlement happening tomorrow. (Oh, by the way, am I the only one who was relieved not to see Robert Sarver mentioned in that Broussard tweet?)
The amount of bluster on the part of the players - this time coming from outside counsel Jeffrey Kessler himself - is getting louder, and emptier, with each passing negotiation. Last night's post-negotiation blustering reached crescendo peaks.
"The story here is they want it all," Kessler bellowed in the post-negotiation news conference, as quoted by Chris Sheridan of the independent sheridanhoops.com. "They want a win, win, win, win. We wanted a compromise."
Sounds like a kid who's laying on the floor, pounding his fists into the ground, demanding ice cream. And as with any child, you find yourself wanting to pat him on the head (or the tushee) and send him on his way. Especially when that child knows the score but is unwilling to accept it.
"They've been consistent for weeks," Kessler said in the same news conference, apparently appalled that the owners would have the stones to hold position.
David Stern - Mr. PR winner himself - is the parent here. The owners have all the leverage, because they have the resolve and the resources to wait out the players. Stern and the owners have made it clear for years, months, weeks, days - any measure of time - that the current system is going bye-bye. And that once the owners had the ability (the expiration of the existing CBA), they would exercise their option to enforce change.
Kessler and the union are playing the part of the stubborn child. They want something they used to get all the time, and can't understand why it's being taken away. Yet they have no leverage to get it back. An effective parent doesn't change his/her mind based on the decibel level of the child's cries of "But that's not FAIR!"
"Our 51 percent offer was based on a fair system." Kessler continued. "They would have to come to us on the system, but they did not."
The players think "fair" is to keep or improve on the old system, and I can't fault them for that. I'd want the same thing. Yet the people who fund that system have decided to change the rules, and they have all the power to do so.
As unfair as it seems to the players, the casual observer wonders what all the fuss is about. To be sure, the latest offer from the owners - in terms of the SYSTEM - is not much different than the old CBA.
The players union is crying about a hard cap restricting player movement during free agency yet the impact of the latest proposals gives little to no indication of that claim. Hardly anything has changed, in terms of system.
Seems like a handful of minor issues remain: the use of early-termination clauses, the CBA "opt out" clause, and actual amount of annual raises (somewhere less than 10.5% and 8%).
Oh yeah, and there's the BRI split.
The players are offering a 51/49 split in favor of them, with 1% of that going toward benefits and pensions.
The owners are offering a straight 50/50 split - and have been for a month now - but yesterday added an ability for the players to get as much as 51% if BRI increases at a much higher rate than the projected 4% per year.
That's not significantly different. At all. Less than 1% difference.
Oh, and let's also call BS on the players' claims of "giving back" money, as if they are rolling back salaries in this latest proposal. Not one contract is rolling back. Every penny is still going out the door.
So what are the players fighting for, then?
"The players will not be intimidated," union attorney Jeffrey Kessler said, as quoted in Ken Berger's blog. "They want to play, they want a season, but they are not going to sacrifice the futures of all NBA players under these threats of intimidation."
BS on that one too! An cbssports.com's Ken Berger succintly puts the latest proposal, the future generations of players are just fine:
A deal with no hard cap, with guaranteed contracts, with mid-level deals scaled back mostly for tax-paying teams, and with salaries rising to nearly $3 billion in 10 years despite an initial 12 percent reduction.
The "12 percent reduction" only applies to future contracts, not existing ones. Yet, there's a projected 50% increase in overall salaries in 10 years (the players got $2.17 billion total this past season).
Let me repeat: A 50% RAISE IN TEN YEARS! Guaranteed by the CBA!
Take the advice of Bill Guerin, once the hardliner for the NHL players during the NHL lockout. He says its not worth it to sit out the year.
"When you are in the heat of battle, and you are fired up, you don't think what they are doing is right," Guerin said last week. "But it's not about what is right or wrong - it's their league. It's theirs. I feel, personally, I didn't like guys giving up a year of their career, for what? A few less bucks? Guys are making more money now than they ever have."
Read and re-read this quote. Guys are making more money now than they ever have. And the NHL has a "flex cap" - a much more restrictive system than anything the NBA is proposing at this stage.
Guerin and the NHL players screwed up their present to try to save the future. They gave up guaranteed money in order to save "future generations". Yet their future was secure already, so they gave up millions for nothing. Nothing!
Good golly. Just sign the damn deal and play basketball.
With all of these articles and ideas and numbers going around about who said what and how these or those numbers or percentages would help this or that team, it is easy to get lost in the practical ways that a new CBA would effect the league. Even from an ideological stand point - should small market teams have just as much right to good players even though they can't afford them? should big market teams be allowed to spend in luxury tax what would bankrupt a small market team? - the important implications are lost and real concrete examples are few to be found.
Fortunately, Tyson Chandler has provided us with the perfect interview for remembering whats in it for us. In his effort to appeal to Mavs fans to support the players over the owners, Chandler has effectively given virtually every fan of mid to small market teams reason to support the owners.
Hit the jump, you'll love this....First off, the article is here if you want to read it ( I recommend that). But here is my breakdown.
The article centers on Chandler's desire to return to the Mavs and the uncertainty of that future.
"With the collective bargaining agreement and some of the things that they're trying to enforce, it would basically prohibit me from coming back," Chandler told the "Ben and Skin Show" on 103.3 FM in Dallas. "It would take it out of my hands -- and the organization's -- because it would almost be pretty much impossible for me to re-sign. I just think that can be the worst thing that can happen."
There really is nothing more that I need to say in regards to the article. This is the very thing we, as Suns fans, and other fans around the league whose teams won't - short of a miracle - ever make the Finals or win a Championship are fighting (in spirit) for in the new CBA. Lets do a quick recap of the last few years and how much the Mavs have spent on their roster...
2007-08 = 78 million (cap, 55.6 million; Suns = 77 million)
2008-09 = 86 million (cap, 58.7 million; Suns = 72.6 million)
2009-10 = 87.8 million (cap, 57.7 million, Suns = 75 million)
2010-11 = 86.6 million (cap, 58 million; Suns = 66.2 million)
Cuban and the Mavs have spent roughly 30 million over the cap for the last 5 years with no sign of dipping. Cuban threw money at any player he could to try and get his win and grossly overspent on countless players (Desagna Diop, Josh Howard, Brendan Haywood, Erick Dampier, etc etc) in an effort to push his team over the top.
Interestingly, I had a fascinating conversation with a friend who is a Mavs fan about this very practice at the beginning of last season. I said that what Cuban does would never work and that I would be happy to see Dirk and the current Mavs system go without a Championship forever. Now, obviously I was wrong, but this is precisely why the system is broken and needs to be fixed.
Why should a rich owner in a big market be allowed to buy every player he chooses simply to get ahead of teams that more thoughtfully consider their rosters and try their hardest to make chemistry work, pushing their players to be the best they can be? Why should we hold as an exemplar owner someone who casually throws around millions of dollars just to be able to say his team finally got a ring? My friends, the Mark Cubans of this NBA world are what are totally wrong with the system.
"For years, the Lakers have been able to win championships and re-sign their players and keep them there so they can go out for another title," Chandler said. "Now, to put that deal in place after we win ours, I don't like it one bit."
Amazing. Thank you for making our case for us Tyson Chandler. Only Mavs fans are going to be indignant about your "plight." But thanks for reminding all us "less fortunate" fans of the reasons we dislike teams and owners like yours and why we so badly want the owners to win this one (for the most part).