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The Matchup

Tonight the Suns play host to the Cleveland Cavaliers, a team that so far looks vastly improved from last year's dismal 19-63 squad with the lowest efficiency differential (-9.3) in the league. The Cavs are now 4-5, however, and are coming to Phoenix having lost the last 3 of four games on the road.

The Suns have won the last 2 of three, with Tuesday's well-documented and lamented loss to the Kobe-led Lakers the notable exception. The Suns look to bounce back against a Kyrie Irving and Antawn Jamison-led Cavs squad, who are allowing the least fast-break points in the league and are the definition of an okay team at 16th overall in efficiency differential.

The New Arrival

For Phoenix, a little lineup shakeup is in order with the arrival of Michael Redd, who has been working with the Suns training staff to get himself into "game shape". The Suns' need for a go-to and late-game scorer could be met in the low-risk acquisition of Redd, but only time will tell. He'll likely take a few minutes from Jared Dudley and more minutes from Shannon Brown as he finds his way onto the floor tonight.

Click the jump for some more tidbits.


FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc
G M M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
Antawn Jamison 9 30.1 6.6 15.7 41.8 1.2 4.2 28.9 2.3 4.1 56.8 1.1 4.9 6.0 0.9 1.3 1.0 1.3 2.4 16.7
Kyrie Irving 9 26.8 5.8 13.0 44.4 0.9 2.6 34.8 3.1 3.6 87.5 0.7 2.8 3.4 5.1 2.9 0.6 0.7 2.9 15.6
Ramon Sessions 9 21.9 2.9 8.3 34.7 0.7 1.9 35.3 3.9 4.6 85.4 0.3 3.3 3.7 4.8 1.9 0.6 0.0 1.3 10.3
Anderson Varejao 9 30.7 4.0 7.8 51.4 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.4 2.7 54.2 4.4 5.8 10.2 1.6 1.1 1.7 0.6 2.8 9.4
Alonzo Gee 9 26.7 3.0 6.0 50.0 0.7 2.1 31.6 1.7 2.2 75.0 1.1 2.3 3.4 2.3 1.7 1.4 0.2 2.1 8.3
Tristan Thompson 9 18.0 3.3 6.2 53.6 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.2 3.0 40.7 1.8 2.8 4.6 0.2 1.4 0.3 1.6 2.3 7.9
Daniel Gibson 9 24.6 2.8 6.4 43.1 1.8 3.4 51.6 0.6 0.6 100.0 0.4 2.4 2.9 1.1 0.7 0.8 0.6 1.4 7.9
Anthony Parker 9 24.1 2.8 7.0 39.7 1.2 3.8 32.4 0.4 0.4 100.0 0.2 2.3 2.6 2.0 0.7 0.8 0.3 0.9 7.2
Omri Casspi 9 20.7 2.3 6.2 37.5 0.8 2.7 29.2 0.9 1.1 80.0 1.0 1.3 2.3 1.3 1.4 0.6 0.2 2.2 6.3
Samardo Samuels 6 14.2 1.7 3.5 47.6 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.7 3.8 69.6 0.7 1.8 2.5 0.2 2.2 0.8 0.2 3.2 6.0
Luke Harangody 3 2.7 1.3 2.0 66.7 0.3 0.7 50.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 3.0
Ryan Hollins 4 12.3 0.5 2.5 20.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 100.0 0.8 1.3 2.0 0.3 1.0 0.0 1.0 0.8 2.0
Semih Erden 2 10.5 0.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.5 3.0 50.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 2.5 1.5
Christian Eyenga 1 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
Mychel Thompson 1 2.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

A quick look at the Cavaliers shows some interesting (read: tough) matchups for the Suns. Top overall draft pick Kyrie Irving, who is quickly picking up this whole "NBA thing", presents a tough matchup for Steve Nash defensively. Steve has been known to torch rookie guards again and again on the offensive end, but he's also given up career high scoring numbers to young, strong point guards in the past. Ronnie Price could be extremely valuable in this regard, and we could see him coming in at SG to guard Irving.

Anderson Varejao has been strong as usual, posting career highs so far this season in both rebounding (10.2) and in scoring (9.4 ppg). Marcin Gortat, on the other hand, has been playing reliably well and should be able to handle Varejao with his recently healed finger injury.

After Tuesday's loss, expect the Suns to come out firing on all cylinders, with Nash continuing to distribute the ball effectively (understatement) and Markieff Morris continuing his MVP-candidate year (overstatement). We'll get our first look at Redd and see if Shannon Brown can improve his shot selection.

So far we've been able to beat the teams that deserve to be beaten. This would include the Cavs so let's do it again! Let's win.

See you all in the Game Threads!

GAME DAY LINKS

Cavaliers at Suns Complete Coverage

AZ Central: Grant Hill and Kyrie Irving Bookend Lifespan of NBA Players

Sun Herald: Cavs rely on rookie Irving's scoring

Fear The Sword: Cavaliers Game Preview

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Next Game

Cleveland Cavaliers
@ Phoenix Suns

Thursday, Jan 12, 2012, 7:00 PM MST
US Airways Center

WHEN: 7 PM MST

LISTEN: 620 KTAR

WATCH: FSAZ+

VEGAS ODDS: SUNS +7

Complete Coverage >


The Matchup

Tonight the Suns play host to the Cleveland Cavaliers, a team that so far looks vastly improved from last year's dismal 19-63 squad with the lowest efficiency differential (-9.3) in the league. The Cavs are now 4-5, however, and are coming to Phoenix having lost the last 3 of four games on the road.

The Suns have won the last 2 of three, with Tuesday's well-documented and lamented loss to the Kobe-led Lakers the notable exception. The Suns look to bounce back against a Kyrie Irving and Antawn Jamison-led Cavs squad, who are allowing the least fast-break points in the league and are the definition of an okay team at 16th overall in efficiency differential.

The New Arrival

For Phoenix, a little lineup shakeup is in order with the arrival of Michael Redd, who has been working with the Suns training staff to get himself into "game shape". The Suns' need for a go-to and late-game scorer could be met in the low-risk acquisition of Redd, but only time will tell. He'll likely take a few minutes from Jared Dudley and more minutes from Shannon Brown as he finds his way onto the floor tonight.

Click the jump for some more tidbits.


FG 3PT FT Rebounds Misc
G M M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
Antawn Jamison 9 30.1 6.6 15.7 41.8 1.2 4.2 28.9 2.3 4.1 56.8 1.1 4.9 6.0 0.9 1.3 1.0 1.3 2.4 16.7
Kyrie Irving 9 26.8 5.8 13.0 44.4 0.9 2.6 34.8 3.1 3.6 87.5 0.7 2.8 3.4 5.1 2.9 0.6 0.7 2.9 15.6
Ramon Sessions 9 21.9 2.9 8.3 34.7 0.7 1.9 35.3 3.9 4.6 85.4 0.3 3.3 3.7 4.8 1.9 0.6 0.0 1.3 10.3
Anderson Varejao 9 30.7 4.0 7.8 51.4 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.4 2.7 54.2 4.4 5.8 10.2 1.6 1.1 1.7 0.6 2.8 9.4
Alonzo Gee 9 26.7 3.0 6.0 50.0 0.7 2.1 31.6 1.7 2.2 75.0 1.1 2.3 3.4 2.3 1.7 1.4 0.2 2.1 8.3
Tristan Thompson 9 18.0 3.3 6.2 53.6 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.2 3.0 40.7 1.8 2.8 4.6 0.2 1.4 0.3 1.6 2.3 7.9
Daniel Gibson 9 24.6 2.8 6.4 43.1 1.8 3.4 51.6 0.6 0.6 100.0 0.4 2.4 2.9 1.1 0.7 0.8 0.6 1.4 7.9
Anthony Parker 9 24.1 2.8 7.0 39.7 1.2 3.8 32.4 0.4 0.4 100.0 0.2 2.3 2.6 2.0 0.7 0.8 0.3 0.9 7.2
Omri Casspi 9 20.7 2.3 6.2 37.5 0.8 2.7 29.2 0.9 1.1 80.0 1.0 1.3 2.3 1.3 1.4 0.6 0.2 2.2 6.3
Samardo Samuels 6 14.2 1.7 3.5 47.6 0.0 0.0 0.0 2.7 3.8 69.6 0.7 1.8 2.5 0.2 2.2 0.8 0.2 3.2 6.0
Luke Harangody 3 2.7 1.3 2.0 66.7 0.3 0.7 50.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 3.0
Ryan Hollins 4 12.3 0.5 2.5 20.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 100.0 0.8 1.3 2.0 0.3 1.0 0.0 1.0 0.8 2.0
Semih Erden 2 10.5 0.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.5 3.0 50.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 2.5 1.5
Christian Eyenga 1 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
Mychel Thompson 1 2.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

A quick look at the Cavaliers shows some interesting (read: tough) matchups for the Suns. Top overall draft pick Kyrie Irving, who is quickly picking up this whole "NBA thing", presents a tough matchup for Steve Nash defensively. Steve has been known to torch rookie guards again and again on the offensive end, but he's also given up career high scoring numbers to young, strong point guards in the past. Ronnie Price could be extremely valuable in this regard, and we could see him coming in at SG to guard Irving.

Anderson Varejao has been strong as usual, posting career highs so far this season in both rebounding (10.2) and in scoring (9.4 ppg). Marcin Gortat, on the other hand, has been playing reliably well and should be able to handle Varejao with his recently healed finger injury.

After Tuesday's loss, expect the Suns to come out firing on all cylinders, with Nash continuing to distribute the ball effectively (understatement) and Markieff Morris continuing his MVP-candidate year (overstatement). We'll get our first look at Redd and see if Shannon Brown can improve his shot selection.

So far we've been able to beat the teams that deserve to be beaten. This would include the Cavs so let's do it again! Let's win.

See you all in the Game Threads!

GAME DAY LINKS

Cavaliers at Suns Complete Coverage

AZ Central: Grant Hill and Kyrie Irving Bookend Lifespan of NBA Players

Sun Herald: Cavs rely on rookie Irving's scoring

Fear The Sword: Cavaliers Game Preview

For more exclusive content, follow us on Twitter @Brightsidesun and "Like" us on Facebook.


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Steve Nash is a great player by any measure. Is it possible that he's actually underrated?

Michael Lewis' 2003 book "Moneyball" opened the eyes of many to the potential benefits of analyzing baseball by more than simple scouting reports and statistics such as batting average, HRs, RBI, ERA and wins for a pitcher. In the years since, advanced statistics have revolutionized the way MLB front offices value player traits and production, as followers of Oakland A's general manager Billy Beane have spread throughout the sport.

The NBA followed suit, and advanced stats such as win shares, on-court/off-court, offensive rating, defensive rating and rebounding % now influence the decisions of NBA front offices in the same way. No longer are we bound by the basic stats of points per game, rebounds per game and assists per game, all of which are limited by lack of consideration to opportunity and efficiency of production.

Identifying efficient performers on the court is one of the goals of advanced stats analysis, but the larger goal is efficient use of resources by a team. While baseball has no official salary cap (but does have a de facto cap based on a team's revenue), the NBA does and it became a much harder cap with the ratification of the most recent collective bargaining agreement. This makes accurate valuation of players even more important to a franchise's chances for sustainable success.

We here at BSotS have dabbled in advanced stats analysis; we have some experts, some who are put off by it and some curious novices. Our SBN community has somewhat of a guru in the field in Golden State of Mind's EvanZ, who you might remember from a chat we had last summer. Evan participated in another Google chat with me recently as I picked his brain on some of the advanced data he analyzes when judging player effectiveness.

More after the jump.

Ray: When did you start to analyze NBA basketball using more advanced stats than simple PPG, RPG, etc?
Evan: Fairly recently...I think it was spring of 2010.
Ray: What caused you to start?
Evan: Actually, you might not believe this, but it was some time after I joined GSoM. In the beginning I was one of the "anti-stat" guys, but somehow I became convinced after losing countless arguments. After that I was "all in" and it grew from there.
Ray: How is it received at GSoM? Do you still have a wide divide between the stat people and the "anti-stat" people?
Evan: I think it's definitely acknowledged that it's a stat-heavy blog, but there are certainly a minority of folks who don't buy it. They tolerate us though.


Ray: How does analysis of advanced statistical data enhance your understanding of basketball?
Evan: I think it helps you understand "the bottom line" so to speak, what teams need to do to win, vs. what looks good on ESPN or something.
Ray: Does it change the way you watch games?
Evan: Yes, definitely. For example, I cringe when I see "bad shots" that players shouldn't take.
Ray: Haha. Try watching Shannon Brown. Yikes.
Evan: He looks good dunking

Ray: What are some of the data points you find most useful?
Evan: Really...efficiency, that's the number one thing.
Ray: As defined by what?
Evan: Points per possession (PPP). It can be applied to many things, though: at the team level, the player level, the type of play, etc

Ray: Basketball Reference, 82games.com and Synergy Sports are the websites that immediately come to mind with regards to advanced NBA stats. What others have you found to be helpful?
Evan: Hoopdata is the other big one. Oh, and I use Basketball Value a lot for my own metric. It's called "ezPM". There's a brief description of ezPM in "The Primer" (Ray's note: the primer is excellent and I highly recommend it), but basically it puts a value on every possession that a player uses and creates (through steals and rebounds). There's a couple of metrics in the primer that I developed. One is ezPM and the other is PSAMS (position- and shot-adjusted marginal scoring). I also develop metrics here and there when I find something missing in the "field".
Evan: And one more resource...
NBA Appspot
That's where I get the RAPM (regularized adjusted plus/minus) data

Ray:
Can you give an example of a player who, according to advanced statistical data, is overrated by most fans?
Evan: Uh, Monta Ellis comes to mind.
(Ray's note: Yes, I am a big Ellis critic. No, I did not pay Evan off for this.)
Evan: Last season, a lot of advanced stats folks thought Rose was overrated - he's actually peforming better statistically so far this season (according to ezPM, anyway). John Wall appears to be highly overrated.
Ray: Underrated?
Evan: A lot of defensive guys like Nick Collison, Luol Deng, Andre Iguodala
Ray: Do you think the existing defensive metrics truly capture a player's value on that end?
Evan: I think RAPM generally does the best job. Unfortunately, there's just not a lot of data aside from blocks and defensive rebounds (which aren't really "defense" per se).

Ray: Obligatory question about the Suns and Warriors: for each team, what player does advanced stats analysis show to be better than we might think? Not as good as we think?
Evan: On the Warriors, it's easily Ekpe Udoh. RAPM has him as an above average player, but according to the box score, he's a zero. But anyone who watches him play see what he brings defensively. That's not captured by the box score. For the Suns, aside from Steve Nash possibly being underrated (I know hard to believe), I'm not sure you have any other players who are that much better than what people think. Markieff looks goooood, BTW, so good on you guys. (Ray's note: Nash is currently rated #6 overall in the league in RAPM.)
Ray: We are VERY excited about Markieff Morris so far.

Ray: Do you see a risk in losing the human element of the game by breaking it down into cold, rational metrics?
Evan: Well, basketball is way behind baseball, so I would ask whether baseball still has scouts? I think so. And that probably means there is still going to be a place for that in basketball for quite some time. Numbers can tell you a lot, but not everything.

Ray: What limitations do you find in statistical analysis of basketball?
Evan: The main limitations all basically boil down to not having enough data. I'll give one obvious example, which would be what I call "potential assists". The box score records an assist when a player scores, but what about when he doesn't score, but should have? Those are not recorded and thus, represent a data limitation. There are many more examples on both sides of the ball. (Ray's note: how many more assists would Steve Nash have this season if he was surrounded by better shooters than he currently is?)

Evan: If folks are interested in ezPM, I am keeping those continually updated on my blog.

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Brightsiders, what say you? What value and what limitations do you see in advanced stats? I encourage you to follow the links above; there is plenty more to read.

Please feel free to fire away with your thoughts and questions for Evan, and I'd like to give him a big thanks for his time and expertise.

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